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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 20:38:33 GMT -5
The union needs to step it up and get a better agreement. It seems like the retirees have basically no health care and the lack of any real guaranteed money is kind of a joke Most of these players have big time bills....cars, homes, businesses etc. They are in serious trouble if they had to go more than a few weeks without a game check. The owners had them over a barrel during the last collective bargaining. The players can control their expenses if they have the foresight. From what you are saying the owners had the players over a barrel because the Players cannot handle their money in the first place. Also-if they have businesses, wouldn't/shouldn't that add to their income, not reduce it? Theoretically, their side businesses should make them more able to withstand a longer holdout.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 20, 2015 20:55:22 GMT -5
Most of these players have big time bills....cars, homes, businesses etc. They are in serious trouble if they had to go more than a few weeks without a game check. The owners had them over a barrel during the last collective bargaining. The players can control their expenses if they have the foresight. From what you are saying the owners had the players over a barrel because the Players cannot handle their money in the first place. Also-if they have businesses, wouldn't/shouldn't that add to their income, not reduce it? Theoretically, their side businesses should make them more able to withstand a longer holdout. I'm repeating what Tiki Barber and Brian Jones were talking about on CBS radio. They said that most NFL players, believe it or not, live paycheck to paycheck. They were saying this is how they got to where they are, because the owners can hold out longer than the players. This is also why they gave into letting Goodell be judge, jury and executioner over the NFL. When I mentioned owning businesses, I'm not talking about people that own Ford, Kraft foods and Home Depot. I'm talking about guys like Robert Porcher, who lost a struggling restaurant... Guys like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 20:56:23 GMT -5
The union needs to step it up and get a better agreement. It seems like the retirees have basically no health care and the lack of any real guaranteed money is kind of a joke Not true. All contracts have guaranteed money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 20:58:30 GMT -5
The union needs to step it up and get a better agreement. It seems like the retirees have basically no health care and the lack of any real guaranteed money is kind of a joke Most of these players have big time bills....cars, homes, businesses etc. They are in serious trouble if they had to go more than a few weeks without a game check. The owners had them over a barrel during the last collective bargaining. Irrelevant. Don't but 200k cars and shit. Not an even decent argument. Laughable argument maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 21:00:43 GMT -5
Nobody of note is. The union has no leverage and the ownership in the NFL isn't water brain. So ya. Brandon Marshall or whomever can feel free to get a real job as an accountant or whatever else they are good at. They have tons of leverage. Nobody wants scabs again. Half a season on strike would make them negotiate. They have no leverage or they would actually use it. They make a shit ton of money so they play. They don't want to disrupt that. They also know there are risks and they are fine with it.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 21:12:51 GMT -5
The players can control their expenses if they have the foresight. From what you are saying the owners had the players over a barrel because the Players cannot handle their money in the first place. Also-if they have businesses, wouldn't/shouldn't that add to their income, not reduce it? Theoretically, their side businesses should make them more able to withstand a longer holdout. I'm repeating what Tiki Barber and Brian Jones were talking about on CBS radio. They said that most NFL players, believe it or not, live paycheck to paycheck. They were saying this is how they got to where they are, because the owners can hold out longer than the players. This is also why they gave into letting Goodell be judge, jury and executioner over the NFL. When I mentioned owning businesses, I'm not talking about people that own Ford, Kraft foods and Home Depot. I'm talking about guys like Robert Porcher, who lost a struggling restaurant... Guys like that. I go back to my original point. If the players are bad with money, they are putting themselves in a bad spot, it's not on the owners. Try this little experiment. Go out and buy a boat this weekend, then march into your bosses' office on Monday and demand a raise, because you have a boat payment you need to make. I'm sure it's your company's fault for not understanding your plight. Also, as to ownning a "struggling business"-bad business decisions are not on the owner. They are on the player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 21:17:27 GMT -5
Seldom blues sucked so the owners need to consider that.
So ridiculous.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 20, 2015 21:44:03 GMT -5
Seldom blues sucked so the owners need to consider that. So ridiculous. I ate there once. I didn't think it was bad but it wasn't special.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 20, 2015 21:49:01 GMT -5
I'm repeating what Tiki Barber and Brian Jones were talking about on CBS radio. They said that most NFL players, believe it or not, live paycheck to paycheck. They were saying this is how they got to where they are, because the owners can hold out longer than the players. This is also why they gave into letting Goodell be judge, jury and executioner over the NFL. When I mentioned owning businesses, I'm not talking about people that own Ford, Kraft foods and Home Depot. I'm talking about guys like Robert Porcher, who lost a struggling restaurant... Guys like that. I go back to my original point. If the players are bad with money, they are putting themselves in a bad spot, it's not on the owners. Try this little experiment. Go out and buy a boat this weekend, then march into your bosses' office on Monday and demand a raise, because you have a boat payment you need to make. I'm sure it's your company's fault for not understanding your plight. Also, as to ownning a "struggling business"-bad business decisions are not on the owner. They are on the player. I'm not passing judgement. It's just a fact. We all know it's true. Players seldom are smart with their money. It's not an excuse, it's reality. That's why Broyles investing and living on 60k was a national news story this week. Because it so rare.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 21, 2015 7:49:17 GMT -5
I go back to my original point. If the players are bad with money, they are putting themselves in a bad spot, it's not on the owners. Try this little experiment. Go out and buy a boat this weekend, then march into your bosses' office on Monday and demand a raise, because you have a boat payment you need to make. I'm sure it's your company's fault for not understanding your plight. Also, as to ownning a "struggling business"-bad business decisions are not on the owner. They are on the player. I'm not passing judgement. It's just a fact. We all know it's true. Players seldom are smart with their money. It's not an excuse, it's reality. That's why Broyles investing and living on 60k was a national news story this week. Because it so rare. But that undermines your original point about the strength of the owners. If their strength over the players is derived from the Players' economic situation, and that economic situation is largely under the control of the Players, that is not on the owners. If the players had their own finances in order, they would not be so weak at the bargaining table.
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Post by philly on Aug 21, 2015 7:52:07 GMT -5
What's the average career length in the NFL? 2 or 3 years? I think that's the biggest problem. You go on strike and they draft your replacement next year. I don't think the top level players would have any problem striking.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 21, 2015 8:10:37 GMT -5
What's the average career length in the NFL? 2 or 3 years? I think that's the biggest problem. You go on strike and they draft your replacement next year. I don't think the top level players would have any problem striking. NFLPA says the average career is 3.3 years. NFL says it is 7.1 years, and average career length for a first round draft pick is 9.3 years. Take the midpoint at about 5 years. Minimum rookie salary is $420,000.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 21, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5
What's the average career length in the NFL? 2 or 3 years? I think that's the biggest problem. You go on strike and they draft your replacement next year. I don't think the top level players would have any problem striking. That's another strength to the owners, and weakness of the players. No matter the career length, it's a very short amount of time. So any weeks/month's/years without a paycheck, is very important.
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Post by thecouncil on Aug 21, 2015 10:43:31 GMT -5
I think the player's union would have leverage based on the ridiculous amount of money the league would lose out on in a strike. And the League office doesn't exactly have a high Q rating at this point in time. I'm not saying they need to get on the MLB's level in terms of guaranteed money and no salary cap but you'd think some of the stuff is a no brainer.
Pay refs so they can be full time referees. Year round training.
Give retired players more access to better health care, including mental health.
A fairer discipline process. The ass kicking the Union took last time in regards to player discipline and the powers of the commissioner was crazy.
I agree with gg that there is an assumed risk that every player judges worth the big time money they make. But I don't think that totally negates their argument for a more fair work environment.
But none of this matters because somehow the Union is locked into a 10 year, no opt out CBA during the most profitable time in the history of the sport.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 22, 2015 8:49:48 GMT -5
I thought most if not all the TV money was guaranteed to the owners. If true, the owners had all the leverage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 9:56:59 GMT -5
If the players had leverage they would use it. Simple as that.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 25, 2015 17:24:50 GMT -5
Kyle Van Noy out again?
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Post by reggie on Aug 25, 2015 19:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 6:15:41 GMT -5
2nd year bust, whatever year.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 26, 2015 8:47:31 GMT -5
2nd year bust, whatever year. This sucks.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 26, 2015 10:26:48 GMT -5
2nd year bust, whatever year. Held it together just long enough to be off the hook for his medical bills. Now all bets are off.
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Post by flemgoblue on Aug 26, 2015 16:06:20 GMT -5
jesus, lions have a ton of starters hurt right now..
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Post by aaugusti on Aug 26, 2015 22:26:45 GMT -5
I wonder if they are trying to hold out starters for the rest of the preseason.
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Post by flemgoblue on Aug 27, 2015 7:28:10 GMT -5
Pretty sure reid, warford, bell, ngata, jones, waddle are all hurt. You can speculate on ansah and levy.. but its a lot of hurt starters
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Post by AK on Aug 31, 2015 8:40:55 GMT -5
Traded for a TE...
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