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Post by Pollux on Apr 2, 2020 21:09:25 GMT -5
Wasn’t ever much going on in the slow times between sports and now there’s no sports. Lions free agency, and looks like the NFL is going to still hold the draft. If I see another mock I’m gonna go crazy. I just need the draft to actually happen.
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Post by Pollux on Apr 1, 2020 15:46:50 GMT -5
Since we are all quarantined, it would be nice to get this place hopping again! Wasn’t ever much going on in the slow times between sports and now there’s no sports.
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Post by Pollux on Feb 4, 2020 17:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Pollux on Jan 30, 2020 12:04:38 GMT -5
Sports in the city of Detroit is pretty dead currently. It’s almost like two sports aren’t even playing right now.
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Post by Pollux on Jan 16, 2020 16:59:37 GMT -5
You don’t believe that both the Democrat and Republican parties have taken actions that have threatened, endangered, and subverted the constitution? Of course they have. On a daily basis. Some affronts are worse than others. Removing a president for political reasons is worse than failing to enact a budget, or deferring their regulatory powers to the executive branch. I agree. Removal probably isn’t going to happen either way but it should not be for political reasons. I don’t believe the current attempt is just for political reasons. It’s just being done in an ass backwards way. The presented case is extremely thin. A lengthier investigation or an attempt to enforce the subpoenas perhaps would have uncovered the needed information or further strengthened the obstruction charge.
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Post by Pollux on Jan 6, 2020 19:18:09 GMT -5
I don't understand your point about"both sides are threatening it." Please expound. You don’t believe that both the Democrat and Republican parties have taken actions that have threatened, endangered, and subverted the constitution?
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Post by Pollux on Jan 2, 2020 5:56:22 GMT -5
That’s why we’re here is it not? But for someone who always votes third party etc. you sure do work with a lot of assumptions, seem to have a conservative leaning opinion, and enjoy GOP talking points. I support the Constitution. When I see a party ripping up due process rights, I call them out. So sorry if you see protecting constitutional rights as talking points. I read the Mueller report, the Ukraine call transcript and the IG report. They are all pretty clear and connect the dots. The external reporting by people such as Atkinson are even more illuminating. The Russian collusion story was a hoax. It was created to justify spying on a presidential campaign. (Horowitz). When that failed they tried Ukraine. They changed the rules to allow the whistleblower complaint. Pre August, it had to be based on first hand knowledge. The whistleblower failed to divulge he was working 8th Schiff and his staff. That's perjury-the complaint is attested under oath. These are the facts. You can dismiss them as talking points, but that is only to ignore what is happening, and justify the lawlessness. I think the issue here is that in your distaste for how Democrats have done things and how they’re unconstitutional that you’ve neglected the fact that both sides are threatening it. If you’re about the constitution and protecting it then that’s what it shouldn’t be about. That’s not what you’ve been arguing. If you didn’t like my opinion when I originally brought it up that’s fine. None of the things I brought up or how flawed the process was which you brought up change whether it was all right or wrong. It was, is, and continues to be wrong.
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Post by Pollux on Jan 1, 2020 17:36:57 GMT -5
I didn’t claim to believe anything. I just posted the tweet because you keep talking about it. I was responding to the tweet you posted "at random." That’s why we’re here is it not? But for someone who always votes third party etc. you sure do work with a lot of assumptions, seem to have a conservative leaning opinion, and enjoy GOP talking points.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 31, 2019 18:46:00 GMT -5
LOL. Mueller spent 2.5 years and $35mil and couldn't verify a word of the Dossier. IG Horowitz report concludes that the FBI tried to verify it, but the witnesses said it was untrue. Sure, there are people still touting it, but the Dossier was partisan political junk, and the FISA Court has issued an Order reprimanding the FBI for using it. But keep on believing it. LOL I didn’t claim to believe anything. I just posted the tweet because you keep talking about it.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 26, 2019 19:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by Pollux on Dec 18, 2019 23:57:12 GMT -5
They’re all taking money from suspect places. On both sides.
It does seem like you’ve made up your mind though. Your arguments are pretty subjective.
You’ve almost hit all of the talking points and outed all the major players. You just left out the parts where the side your defending commits an equal amount of egregious acts.
Nobody gets a pass here. It’s not ok regardless.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 21:45:43 GMT -5
Thread.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 17:09:43 GMT -5
As for the NJ Representative I question his motivations. I think he’s just doing whatever he thinks will keep his seat. No matter which side takes that seat in its next election he should probably have a primary opponent from the party he chooses to go along with his opponent from the other party. At this point I don’t see how either could really count on him.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 17:02:07 GMT -5
So then you’re of the opinion they would have done it no matter what evidHoence was presented. Some of them may have talked about doing it since 2016 but they didn’t until now. The rigged or it was inevitble argument isn’t a strong one. If they were so concerned about whatever he was going to do they wouldn’t have waited this long. They would have done it as soon as they regained the majority. There was always a risk of infuriating his base or purple voters and getting Trump re-elected in spite of the process so it wouldn’t have mattered when it was done. Everybody has an agenda on both sides. Falling for all the conspiracy theories as a voter isn’t ideal. People drink that shit up. It was absolutely rigged from the get go. If you don't see that based on the IG report, then you will never get it. The intelligence services (FBI/CIA) were weaponized to go after Trump. The Horowitz report lays that out in black and white. This is consistent with the use of the IRS against conservative groups years earlier, and use of the Labor Department to raid Romney supporters in 2012. The Mueller report did not deliver, so they had to engineer something else, which is Ukraine. That is also a big nothing. They released the transcript. Sondland testified there was no quid pro quo-only his presumption that there was one. The obstruction charge is based on POTUS challenging challenging Congressional subpoenas. SCOTUS blocked the enforcement of the subpoenas and has agreed to hear the challenge. Thus one of the grounds of impeachment has been undercut by SCOTUS indicating the challenge has merit. I'm no Trumper-I didn't vote for him-but I am disgusted by the weaponization/politicization of the ABC agencies and the tactics employed here. Nadler, Pelosi and Schiff all said in 1998 that impeachment must be bi-partisan. Yet the only bi-partisan support is against impeachment. Heck, even a Dem congressman from New Jersey announced over the weekend he is switching parties because of these tactics. Al Green, AOC, Pelosi, Nadler, have all said publicly that if we don't impeach him, he will win re-election. That tells you all you need to know. They cannot beat him at the ballot box, so this is the next best thing they have. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a supporter. I apologize if it came out that way. So many things in all of this are taken out of context and blown out of proportion. It’s all planned to be divisive by both sides. Republicans have done just as much shady stuff as Democrats over the years and like you put it out there for me: if you can’t see that.. I’m sure many things are communicated behind closed doors but it’s very telling that publicly Republicans are whipping and saying this is for the party while the Democrats are saying it’s a conscience vote and to vote for what you think is right not unlike if this was a vote on articles of war.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 15, 2019 22:10:40 GMT -5
So then you’re of the opinion they would have done it no matter what evidence was presented. Some of them may have talked about doing it since 2016 but they didn’t until now. The rigged or it was inevitable argument isn’t a strong one. If they were so concerned about whatever he was going to do they wouldn’t have waited this long. They would have done it as soon as they regained the majority.
There was always a risk of infuriating his base or purple voters and getting Trump re-elected in spite of the process so it wouldn’t have mattered when it was done.
Everybody has an agenda on both sides. Falling for all the conspiracy theories as a voter isn’t ideal. People drink that shit up.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 14, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -5
Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. And by the way, the Mueller report did not find any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. Neither impeachment charge includes allegations of using foreign interference. The first charge is abuse of power (undefined) and the second is obstruction of Congress for challenging subpoenas in court. So now using the court as a check on Congress is obstruction and impeachable. That is ridiculous.🤡 Like I stated earlier I don’t have a problem with a process argument. It’s very valid. Abuse of power is a tricky article to bring because it wasn’t defined by the framers. If you don’t think both sides aren’t taking risky liberties here that’s a problem. Mueller’s report opened the door on a vague obstruction argument. When he testified himself in front of Congress he stated several times that he was not allowed to charge the president with a crime. He could not charge Trump with obstruction. When asked he also said his investigation couldn’t clear Trump of obstruction either. It was Congress who would have to decide to charge Trump. I don’t think you need to investigate too deeply on things that Trump has said publicly on national tv like when he asked first Russia, then the Ukraine, and China to investigate his political rivals. While those aren’t themselves obstruction they are election interference that falls under the abuse of power charge. The President didn’t even cite Executive Privilege when he instructed the White House and US agencies not to comply with subpoenas for both documents and witnesses in an impeachment investigation. I agree that all of them should have been taken to court. I’m not sure if the clown face was for me, the House Majority, or both but they have cited the Constitution saying they have sole authority in articles of impeachment. There can be many semantic arguments by both sides on this but for people out here in the rest of the country this also comes down to something simple: If you have documents and witnesses that exonerate you from something you don’t withhold them. You produce them and then get back down to business. Either way everyone should be innocent until proven guilty. Refusing the opportunity to defend yourself and produce exculpatory evidence and witnesses is dumb. So both sides are playing games. I personally don’t think the leader of the free world should publicly whine about being treated unfairly and possibly withhold exculpatory evidence and witnesses so that he could claim the Democrats treat him unfairly in hopes that is base rises up to flip seats and re-elect him. I think the leader of the free world should appear strong and competent which this one does not.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 14, 2019 9:45:57 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate. All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong? A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok. As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable. Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed. Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. It’s not ok no matter who does it. This argument often raised that ‘well Someone else did it’ doesn’t make any of it ok. I didn’t make my post as a partisan statement. In accordance with US Foreign policy and support of the EU Biden did what he did. Trump did not. Biden should have recused himself from those affairs because he had a conflict of interest. It was really dumb that Obama allowed him to be the one to do it knowing about what was going on there with his son. I’ve seen and heard the video several times. If a Biden or the Bidens did something wrong then they should also be held accountable. Joe Biden and his son aren’t the ones being impeached though. I am not a lawyer but it seems a little out of scope to publicly call witnesses and investigate something the President allegedly tried to facilitate behind closed doors. His motive is he wanted the investigations or announcement of them. What the investigations would have or have not discovered is outside of that.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 13, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate.
All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong?
A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok.
As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable.
Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 3, 2019 19:16:40 GMT -5
Did you expect a different outcome? I kind of held out hope they had a chance to win. But either way, I didn't expect them to get their doors blown off they way they did! I don't think anyone inside Schembechler Hall has any answers. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that out of 5 years you beat OSU twice. You definitely should be beating them at home. The suggestion that is asking too much is ridiculous.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 3, 2019 6:03:11 GMT -5
Did you expect a different outcome? Still rather be you. State is a huge disappointment. I get that. I also get being disappointed over Michigan as a whole. Pissed off over a game they haven’t been relevant in and that they didn’t really have a shot in I don’t. All that “this is one game and you have to block out the rest” take is BS. They haven’t been good enough this year to topple OSU no matter what excuses you make yourself believe for the year.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 2, 2019 13:04:52 GMT -5
Brutal, Michigan. Just Brutal! Did you expect a different outcome?
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Post by Pollux on Nov 30, 2019 17:27:17 GMT -5
Some of these broads could get it anywhere but they’re risking it all. What a shame.
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Post by Pollux on Nov 22, 2019 12:48:24 GMT -5
No. Unfortunately not. He admires dictators and autocrats. In his words feels like he was ‘chosen’. I think things are going to get real ugly whether there’s impeachment or a loss of re-election. This is my fear, and it could tear apart this country! We’re already there. This country is divided near the brink. The GOP, the rich, and probably Russia have gotten what they wanted. They don’t want all of us against them they want all of us against each other. Because if we bicker among ourselves there’s no galvanized union to hold them all accountable.
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Post by Pollux on Nov 21, 2019 15:50:32 GMT -5
It's been sinking for some time. What we are seeing is the final death roll. Do you think he'll go quietly? No. Unfortunately not. He admires dictators and autocrats. In his words feels like he was ‘chosen’. I think things are going to get real ugly whether there’s impeachment or a loss of re-election.
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Post by Pollux on Nov 21, 2019 15:48:30 GMT -5
Looks like the ship is sinking in DC. It's been sinking for some time. What we are seeing is the final death roll. Agreed but his party colleagues are going to want a smoking gun they aren’t going to get. Unless of course one of the individuals refusing to appear does so and drops a bomb. Sondland pulled the bus forward and then backed it up again over them. That won’t be enough to sway them if they’ve made up their minds.
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