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Post by flemgoblue on Nov 21, 2015 8:17:03 GMT -5
Isn't he more of an every day guy? Not a platoon guy?
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Post by fastfreddie on Nov 21, 2015 8:55:44 GMT -5
They originally drafted Maybin, right? Wasn't he supposed to be the next great one?
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Post by thecouncil on Nov 21, 2015 15:24:31 GMT -5
He was a great one for the Tigers. He turned into Miguel Cabrera.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Nov 23, 2015 15:35:22 GMT -5
I believe Avila said Maybin's ultimate role will be determined in spring training, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up being the regular center fielder. Fangraphs had a small article with lots of different topics, and within it was this quote:
I don't find that terribly shocking. It wouldn't surprise me if this trade was made in least in part to be a a wakeup call for Gose, or to provide insurance in the event Gose completely checks out. Maybin is the better player anyway, though Gose did show some promising signs in the second half, at least against righties.
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Post by Jive Turkey on Nov 29, 2015 14:34:57 GMT -5
Is giving $20+ million to Zimmerman the same as giving that contract to Anibal Sanchez or is there some sabermetric that says he won't add a full run to his ERA next season?
Edit: Did they just give up a top 10 pick in the draft for signing Zimmerman?
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Post by jb on Nov 29, 2015 15:18:04 GMT -5
The pick is protected. They lose their 2nd round pick.
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Post by aaugusti on Nov 29, 2015 15:22:08 GMT -5
Is giving $20+ million to Zimmerman the same as giving that contract to Anibal Sanchez or is there some sabermetric that says he won't add a full run to his ERA next season? Edit: Did they just give up a top 10 pick in the draft for signing Zimmerman? If your pick is Top 10 you don't lose it when you sign a free agent.
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Post by fastfreddie on Nov 29, 2015 16:24:19 GMT -5
I like it!
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Post by Jive Turkey on Nov 29, 2015 19:31:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the confirmation.
Where is batman? Now that he has his radio show and his pay site, he doesn't have time for us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 19:32:31 GMT -5
He big timed us like Vito and Isaac pepper.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Nov 30, 2015 18:01:26 GMT -5
Haha, sorry guys. There is an element of me not wanting spoil what I might say on the radio show, but there are two big reasons I don't write as much: my office moved to an open floorplan, so my boss can now stare right at my screen, and my son is almost two and he doesn't stop getting into shit from 5 AM to 8 PM every day, so when I do have free time at home I tend to spend it doing absolutely nothing. Now, I think I mentioned earlier that I preferred Jeff Samardzija be the top-of-the-rotation arm the Tigers targeted. I didn't think the team would have the money to target the top 4 starters (Price, Greinke, Cueto, Zimmermann), and I thought Shark was the best of the next bunch. I'm pleasantly surprised with the length and dollar amount in this deal. Zimmermann figures to give the Tigers about 190-200 innings for each of the next three years, and an ERA in the 3.75-4.25 range. That's a solid #3 starter, and guys like that are getting $20+ million a year now. The salary comparison most people throw out is Rick Porcello, who isn't as good as Zimm, and was signed for 4/$82.5. I am concerned about his injury history. The general thinking is that guys who get Tommy John surgery, which Zimmermann got in 2009, can go about a decade before they need to get the surgery again. The probability of him missing a season will grow with each season he's here. That said, he has fewer pitches on his arm than all of the other big FA pitchers, save for Samardzija and Leake: Name | Age | IP
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| David Price
| 30
| 1441.2
| 22,725
| 3.09
| Zack Greinke
| 32
| 2094.2
| 33,193
| 3.35
| Johnny Cueto
| 30
| 1420.1
| 22,785
| 3.30
| Zimmermann
| 29
| 1094
| 16,794
| 3.32
| Samardzija
| 31
| 991.2
| 15,907
| 4.09
| Wei-Yen Chen
| 30
| 1357.1*
| NA
| 3.72
| Hisashi Iwakuma
| 34
| 2184.2*
| NA
| 3.17
| Yovani Gallardo
| 30
| 1473.2
| 24,992
| 3.66
| Scott Kazmir
| 32
| 1553.1
| 26,835
| 3.96
| Mike Leake
| 28
| 1083.2
| 16,277
| 3.88
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I am also slightly concerned about Zimmermann's fastball velocity dropping about 1 MPH on average last year, and his home runs spiking. A 93-mph is plenty good, though, so we'll see if those HR issues continue this year. He's a kind of pitcher the Tigers haven't had in recent years -- he doesn't get a lot of strikeouts and he gives up a fair amount of hits, but he doesn't walk anyone. In that regard he's a bit like Fister, but Zimmermann is a flyball pitcher, while Fister was a GB guy. The only other note I think is interesting, is that Zimmermann doesn't really throw a changeup. He throws a lot of fastballs, a good amount of sliders, and then uses his curveball as a change-of-pace pitch. That hadn't really hurt him against lefties throughout his career - until last season. It will be interesting to see if the Tigers and Rich Dubee work with him on a more traditional offspeed offering.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 1, 2015 18:40:41 GMT -5
Fuck dombrowski snaking price
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Post by flemgoblue on Dec 1, 2015 19:25:49 GMT -5
we werent going to pay him enough regardless
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 1, 2015 19:28:30 GMT -5
Huge amount of money, for lot of years! Dombrowski must think the world will end in the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 21:21:10 GMT -5
Everything that I've read about it is that it's pretty much market from him and the world does end in Bean Town if they finish in the cellar again next year.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 2, 2015 9:51:03 GMT -5
Everything that I've read about it is that it's pretty much market from him and the world does end in Bean Town if they finish in the cellar again next year. Yep, people need to adjust to the new market. MLB is like a $9 billion industry right now, so player salaries are going to continue to go up and up. Greinke is expected to get a 5- or 6-year deal worth about $32 million a season. Bryce Harper will probably get $40 million a year in a few seasons. I even read that Price's deal may actually be a $25 million bargain.
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Post by aaugusti on Dec 2, 2015 10:13:24 GMT -5
I thought that I saw that Price's deal has no deferred money, and there is a 3 year opt out clause in it. I would assume that it is Price that can opt out of the deal.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 3, 2015 9:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by oldstyletom on Dec 3, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
Love the logo.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 3, 2015 17:17:02 GMT -5
Love the logo. Thanks! My wife came up with the name, and a friend made the logo at my request.
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Post by Jive Turkey on Dec 3, 2015 19:18:28 GMT -5
Your co-host named his daughter Harwelle? I thought that db who named his son Tressel Hayes was tucked up.
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Post by philly on Dec 4, 2015 12:52:23 GMT -5
Tigers sign RHP Mike bats in the Pelfrey as the fifth starter. back back back back back 1.5 whip last year. Nice
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 7, 2015 10:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 7, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -5
I'll believe this when I see it. Think relief pitching is still the bigger need, and I don't think they have the money for those two.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 7, 2015 13:59:39 GMT -5
I would love to get cespedes back
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