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Post by eruff on Dec 8, 2016 6:38:51 GMT -5
I go back and forth. Based on skill I think he should probably be there, but the big touchdown scoring, game saving plays were below everyone's expectations for him. A punt return to finish off Iowa in the 4th quarter would have been nice. I don't really think the debate is about him personally. It's is underutilized skill enough? The average UM dont even watch college football outside the SmallTen. Peppers isnt the best defensive player on his team. The best player in the nation to NOT have a single significant moment in his entire college football career. For you silly UM that swears by Peppers talent look up Adoree Jackson USC. Peppers isnt on the same playing field as Jackson.
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Post by eruff on Dec 8, 2016 6:39:31 GMT -5
How did he do in the big games? You'll be waiting on that answer for a long time...
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 8, 2016 8:18:45 GMT -5
How did he do in the big games? You'll be waiting on that answer for a long time... Actually it was already answered up above. I've been waiting for you to chime it, because you were the one that said he was not a Heisman Candidate. I think getting invited to the Heisman ceremony, qualifies as being a candidate.
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Post by philly on Dec 8, 2016 8:24:29 GMT -5
I don't really think the debate is about him personally. It's is underutilized skill enough? The average UM dont even watch college football outside the SmallTen. Peppers isnt the best defensive player on his team. The best player in the nation to NOT have a single significant moment in his entire college football career. For you silly UM that swears by Peppers talent look up Adoree Jackson USC. Peppers isnt on the same playing field as Jackson. Since when is Peppers a corner? I can't find Jackson here... walterfootball.com/draft2017.php
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Post by Pollux on Dec 8, 2016 8:54:12 GMT -5
The average UM dont even watch college football outside the SmallTen. Peppers isnt the best defensive player on his team. The best player in the nation to NOT have a single significant moment in his entire college football career. For you silly UM that swears by Peppers talent look up Adoree Jackson USC. Peppers isnt on the same playing field as Jackson. Since when is Peppers a corner? I can't find Jackson here... walterfootball.com/draft2017.phpHe was probably a red shirt freshman this year. Jokes on us.
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Post by AK on Dec 8, 2016 9:40:37 GMT -5
....and he was absent in big games. Interception and kickoff return that led to TD against OSU. Multiple tackles for loss against MSU and extra point return. Probably the reason we beat Colorado. Msu was 3-9
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Post by philly on Dec 8, 2016 15:18:56 GMT -5
I don't really think the debate is about him personally. It's is underutilized skill enough? The average UM dont even watch college football outside the SmallTen. Peppers isnt the best defensive player on his team. The best player in the nation to NOT have a single significant moment in his entire college football career. For you silly UM that swears by Peppers talent look up Adoree Jackson USC. Peppers isnt on the same playing field as Jackson. www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/12/08/kiper-ranks-jabrill-peppers-no-1-safety-draft/95152772/Peppers number 1 safety in draft, top 10 or 15. Lewis sixth corner, likely still first round. Jackson...crickets
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Post by philly on Dec 8, 2016 15:19:39 GMT -5
Interception and kickoff return that led to TD against OSU. Multiple tackles for loss against MSU and extra point return. Probably the reason we beat Colorado. Msu was 3-9 RTB
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Post by Jive Turkey on Dec 9, 2016 7:38:10 GMT -5
I am a Michigan fan and lean towards him not belonging as a finalist but seriously why does it matter? Be happy for the guy and move on with your life. People like a novelty and not many players play so many positions and are efftive at it. If Valenti isnt trolling Michigan fans he is sleeping. I understand giving an opinion but arguing about it for weeks is stupid I agree with this. I don't think he should have,been a finalist but let's not act like Jim Brown just lost to Paul Hornung. No one is projecting him to win. He got a free trip and a chair in the room.
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 9, 2016 8:30:35 GMT -5
Valenti and Riger show topics this week:
Monday: Why Peppers is not a Heisman finalist Tuesday: How much of a disappointment was Michigan's season Wednesday: How much of a drop off will Michigan see in 2017, losing so many Seniors Thursday: Is Western better than UM
Meanwhile his shithole team is 3-9, the only D1 team in the state not going to a bowl game!
Troll radio in full effect.
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Post by Jive Turkey on Dec 9, 2016 8:50:41 GMT -5
I don't really think the debate is about him personally. It's is underutilized skill enough? The average UM dont even watch college football outside the SmallTen. Peppers isnt the best defensive player on his team. The best player in the nation to NOT have a single significant moment in his entire college football career. For you silly UM that swears by Peppers talent look up Adoree Jackson USC. Peppers isnt on the same playing field as Jackson. When Peppers was interviewed about being a Heisman candidate, he specifically mentioned Adoree Jackson as a player who is just as versatile as him.
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Post by Jive Turkey on Dec 9, 2016 8:51:49 GMT -5
Valenti and Riger show topics this week: Monday: Why Peppers is not a Heisman finalist Tuesday: How much of a disappointment was Michigan's season Wednesday: How much of a drop off will Michigan see in 2017, losing so many Seniors Thursday: Is Western better than UM Meanwhile his shithole team is 3-9, the only D1 team in the state not going to a bowl game! Troll radio in full effect. Did this actually happen?
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Post by Pollux on Dec 9, 2016 9:35:11 GMT -5
Valenti and Riger show topics this week: Monday: Why Peppers is not a Heisman finalist Tuesday: How much of a disappointment was Michigan's season Wednesday: How much of a drop off will Michigan see in 2017, losing so many Seniors Thursday: Is Western better than UM Meanwhile his shithole team is 3-9, the only D1 team in the state not going to a bowl game! Troll radio in full effect. Why are you so butt hurt? I listened yesterday and didn't year anyone say Western is better than Michigan.
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Post by philly on Dec 9, 2016 9:48:17 GMT -5
Just listen to Stern. What's better than hearing Ronnie the limo driver talk about beating off to his parent's threesome?
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Post by eruff on Dec 9, 2016 11:27:00 GMT -5
Mel Kiper yikes.....
Honestly I would take two players over Peppers at S. Lewis being sixth I can name literally 8 CB's better than Lewis...
Malik Hooker Jamal Adams
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Post by philly on Dec 9, 2016 11:55:23 GMT -5
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Post by eruff on Dec 9, 2016 13:09:19 GMT -5
Fact is that Jackson is a better player than Peppers with better stats as a 2 way player than Peppers. I dont look at projections because 90% of the time the player doesnt live up to the hype. Just as Peppers didnt live up to the hype while at UM.
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Post by philly on Dec 9, 2016 13:18:50 GMT -5
Fact is that Jackson is a better player than Peppers with better stats as a 2 way player than Peppers. I dont look at projections because 90% of the time the player doesnt live up to the hype. Just as Peppers didnt live up to the hype while at UM.
If you want to keep comparing apples to oranges, Jackson had 2 TFLs, no sacks. Peppers had 15 TFLs, 3.5 sacks.
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 9, 2016 13:47:40 GMT -5
Eruff is such a hater. He's funny.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2016 0:15:23 GMT -5
I love the I can name 8 off the top of the head.
List 2 hahahahah 2 and 8 are close
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2016 0:19:32 GMT -5
Peppers didn't live up to the hype is amazing.
He's a heisman finalist. That's living up to something
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Post by eruff on Dec 10, 2016 6:18:57 GMT -5
Fact is that Jackson is a better player than Peppers with better stats as a 2 way player than Peppers. I dont look at projections because 90% of the time the player doesnt live up to the hype. Just as Peppers didnt live up to the hype while at UM.
If you want to keep comparing apples to oranges, Jackson had 2 TFLs, no sacks. Peppers had 15 TFLs, 3.5 sacks. Ok, since youre a fucking idiot i guess I have to show you numbers.
2 punt return TD's 2 kick off return TD's 4 Int 1 FF 1 FR 11 Pass deflections
That was all in 2016.
Oh yeah the guy just landed the Thorpe award.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2016 6:51:15 GMT -5
My god you are stupid.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2016 6:59:31 GMT -5
Do wrs have more catches than QBs? Do running backs have more touchdowns than LBs? Do punters have more punts than linemen?
To compare a corner backs stats to that of someone who rarely played CB is fucking moronic.
And you are using 1 forced and one recovered fumble as a stat. Wow impressive.
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Post by philly on Dec 10, 2016 8:08:59 GMT -5
To be fair peppers had zero 3 pointers and Jackson had a zero era. That's cy young stuff.
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