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Post by The Hoff on Dec 13, 2019 20:48:42 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate. All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong? A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok. As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable. Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed. Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 13, 2019 20:52:40 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate. All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong? A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok. As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable. Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed. Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 13, 2019 21:03:19 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate. All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong? A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok. As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable. Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed. Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. And by the way, the Mueller report did not find any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. Neither impeachment charge includes allegations of using foreign interference. The first charge is abuse of power (undefined) and the second is obstruction of Congress for challenging subpoenas in court. So now using the court as a check on Congress is obstruction and impeachable. That is ridiculous.🤡
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Post by Pollux on Dec 14, 2019 9:45:57 GMT -5
It looks pretty definite that impeachment is going to pass the House and go to the Senate. All of the rhetoric and posturing gets in the way but I think it’s not that complicated. Do you think it’s right to have foreign interference in our elections? Do you think what the President did was wrong? A lot is being made about Dems v. Trump but it doesn’t matter who the President is. It’s never ok. As far as obstruction I don’t get why the Republicans would fall in line with their say in Congressional matters being negated in regards to checks and balances. I can understand and even respect a process argument but I can’t respect their behavior in these hearings. An absolute refusal to comply with subpoenas for documents and witnesses is unacceptable. Things work a little different in the Senate so maybe it won’t go as smoothly as expected with the party roles reversed. Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. It’s not ok no matter who does it. This argument often raised that ‘well Someone else did it’ doesn’t make any of it ok. I didn’t make my post as a partisan statement. In accordance with US Foreign policy and support of the EU Biden did what he did. Trump did not. Biden should have recused himself from those affairs because he had a conflict of interest. It was really dumb that Obama allowed him to be the one to do it knowing about what was going on there with his son. I’ve seen and heard the video several times. If a Biden or the Bidens did something wrong then they should also be held accountable. Joe Biden and his son aren’t the ones being impeached though. I am not a lawyer but it seems a little out of scope to publicly call witnesses and investigate something the President allegedly tried to facilitate behind closed doors. His motive is he wanted the investigations or announcement of them. What the investigations would have or have not discovered is outside of that.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 14, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -5
Ummm-you realize HRC and the DNC funded creation of the Steele dossier which was the predicate to begin surveiling the Trump campaign? That dossier relied on Russian sources. Steele was simultaneously working for Russian oligarch. You also realize Ukraine was interfering on behalf of HRC? The impeachment is an effort to derail the investigation into the DNC/Ukraine connection. That's why Biden threatened to withhold aid unless the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was fired. Watch the video.. Biden bragged about it after the fact. And by the way, the Mueller report did not find any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. Neither impeachment charge includes allegations of using foreign interference. The first charge is abuse of power (undefined) and the second is obstruction of Congress for challenging subpoenas in court. So now using the court as a check on Congress is obstruction and impeachable. That is ridiculous.🤡 Like I stated earlier I don’t have a problem with a process argument. It’s very valid. Abuse of power is a tricky article to bring because it wasn’t defined by the framers. If you don’t think both sides aren’t taking risky liberties here that’s a problem. Mueller’s report opened the door on a vague obstruction argument. When he testified himself in front of Congress he stated several times that he was not allowed to charge the president with a crime. He could not charge Trump with obstruction. When asked he also said his investigation couldn’t clear Trump of obstruction either. It was Congress who would have to decide to charge Trump. I don’t think you need to investigate too deeply on things that Trump has said publicly on national tv like when he asked first Russia, then the Ukraine, and China to investigate his political rivals. While those aren’t themselves obstruction they are election interference that falls under the abuse of power charge. The President didn’t even cite Executive Privilege when he instructed the White House and US agencies not to comply with subpoenas for both documents and witnesses in an impeachment investigation. I agree that all of them should have been taken to court. I’m not sure if the clown face was for me, the House Majority, or both but they have cited the Constitution saying they have sole authority in articles of impeachment. There can be many semantic arguments by both sides on this but for people out here in the rest of the country this also comes down to something simple: If you have documents and witnesses that exonerate you from something you don’t withhold them. You produce them and then get back down to business. Either way everyone should be innocent until proven guilty. Refusing the opportunity to defend yourself and produce exculpatory evidence and witnesses is dumb. So both sides are playing games. I personally don’t think the leader of the free world should publicly whine about being treated unfairly and possibly withhold exculpatory evidence and witnesses so that he could claim the Democrats treat him unfairly in hopes that is base rises up to flip seats and re-elect him. I think the leader of the free world should appear strong and competent which this one does not.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 14, 2019 16:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 14, 2019 17:29:19 GMT -5
And by the way, the Mueller report did not find any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia. Neither impeachment charge includes allegations of using foreign interference. The first charge is abuse of power (undefined) and the second is obstruction of Congress for challenging subpoenas in court. So now using the court as a check on Congress is obstruction and impeachable. That is ridiculous.🤡 Like I stated earlier I don’t have a problem with a process argument. It’s very valid. Abuse of power is a tricky article to bring because it wasn’t defined by the framers. If you don’t think both sides aren’t taking risky liberties here that’s a problem. Mueller’s report opened the door on a vague obstruction argument. When he testified himself in front of Congress he stated several times that he was not allowed to charge the president with a crime. He could not charge Trump with obstruction. When asked he also said his investigation couldn’t clear Trump of obstruction either. It was Congress who would have to decide to charge Trump. I don’t think you need to investigate too deeply on things that Trump has said publicly on national tv like when he asked first Russia, then the Ukraine, and China to investigate his political rivals. While those aren’t themselves obstruction they are election interference that falls under the abuse of power charge. The President didn’t even cite Executive Privilege when he instructed the White House and US agencies not to comply with subpoenas for both documents and witnesses in an impeachment investigation. I agree that all of them should have been taken to court. I’m not sure if the clown face was for me, the House Majority, or both but they have cited the Constitution saying they have sole authority in articles of impeachment. There can be many semantic arguments by both sides on this but for people out here in the rest of the country this also comes down to something simple: If you have documents and witnesses that exonerate you from something you don’t withhold them. You produce them and then get back down to business. Either way everyone should be innocent until proven guilty. Refusing the opportunity to defend yourself and produce exculpatory evidence and witnesses is dumb. So both sides are playing games. I personally don’t think the leader of the free world should publicly whine about being treated unfairly and possibly withhold exculpatory evidence and witnesses so that he could claim the Democrats treat him unfairly in hopes that is base rises up to flip seats and re-elect him. I think the leader of the free world should appear strong and competent which this one does not. The GOP was denied the ability to call witnesses and the scope of their examination was limited. That is why they did what they did. The house proceedings were irregular and one sided. That is why the President did not participate. Why join the circus and give any credence to a rigged process? The Dems started talking about impeachment literally the day after the election in 2016. They rigged the whistleblower process to allow Ciaramello to make the complaint after he met with Schiff. Bye failed to disclose those discussions on the complaint form as required by law. The whole thing is a scam.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 15, 2019 22:10:40 GMT -5
So then you’re of the opinion they would have done it no matter what evidence was presented. Some of them may have talked about doing it since 2016 but they didn’t until now. The rigged or it was inevitable argument isn’t a strong one. If they were so concerned about whatever he was going to do they wouldn’t have waited this long. They would have done it as soon as they regained the majority.
There was always a risk of infuriating his base or purple voters and getting Trump re-elected in spite of the process so it wouldn’t have mattered when it was done.
Everybody has an agenda on both sides. Falling for all the conspiracy theories as a voter isn’t ideal. People drink that shit up.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 16, 2019 10:47:33 GMT -5
So then you’re of the opinion they would have done it no matter what evidHoence was presented. Some of them may have talked about doing it since 2016 but they didn’t until now. The rigged or it was inevitble argument isn’t a strong one. If they were so concerned about whatever he was going to do they wouldn’t have waited this long. They would have done it as soon as they regained the majority. There was always a risk of infuriating his base or purple voters and getting Trump re-elected in spite of the process so it wouldn’t have mattered when it was done. Everybody has an agenda on both sides. Falling for all the conspiracy theories as a voter isn’t ideal. People drink that shit up. It was absolutely rigged from the get go. If you don't see that based on the IG report, then you will never get it. The intelligence services (FBI/CIA) were weaponized to go after Trump. The Horowitz report lays that out in black and white. This is consistent with the use of the IRS against conservative groups years earlier, and use of the Labor Department to raid Romney supporters in 2012. The Mueller report did not deliver, so they had to engineer something else, which is Ukraine. That is also a big nothing. They released the transcript. Sondland testified there was no quid pro quo-only his presumption that there was one. The obstruction charge is based on POTUS challenging challenging Congressional subpoenas. SCOTUS blocked the enforcement of the subpoenas and has agreed to hear the challenge. Thus one of the grounds of impeachment has been undercut by SCOTUS indicating the challenge has merit. I'm no Trumper-I didn't vote for him-but I am disgusted by the weaponization/politicization of the ABC agencies and the tactics employed here. Nadler, Pelosi and Schiff all said in 1998 that impeachment must be bi-partisan. Yet the only bi-partisan support is against impeachment. Heck, even a Dem congressman from New Jersey announced over the weekend he is switching parties because of these tactics. Al Green, AOC, Pelosi, Nadler, have all said publicly that if we don't impeach him, he will win re-election. That tells you all you need to know. They cannot beat him at the ballot box, so this is the next best thing they have.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 17:02:07 GMT -5
So then you’re of the opinion they would have done it no matter what evidHoence was presented. Some of them may have talked about doing it since 2016 but they didn’t until now. The rigged or it was inevitble argument isn’t a strong one. If they were so concerned about whatever he was going to do they wouldn’t have waited this long. They would have done it as soon as they regained the majority. There was always a risk of infuriating his base or purple voters and getting Trump re-elected in spite of the process so it wouldn’t have mattered when it was done. Everybody has an agenda on both sides. Falling for all the conspiracy theories as a voter isn’t ideal. People drink that shit up. It was absolutely rigged from the get go. If you don't see that based on the IG report, then you will never get it. The intelligence services (FBI/CIA) were weaponized to go after Trump. The Horowitz report lays that out in black and white. This is consistent with the use of the IRS against conservative groups years earlier, and use of the Labor Department to raid Romney supporters in 2012. The Mueller report did not deliver, so they had to engineer something else, which is Ukraine. That is also a big nothing. They released the transcript. Sondland testified there was no quid pro quo-only his presumption that there was one. The obstruction charge is based on POTUS challenging challenging Congressional subpoenas. SCOTUS blocked the enforcement of the subpoenas and has agreed to hear the challenge. Thus one of the grounds of impeachment has been undercut by SCOTUS indicating the challenge has merit. I'm no Trumper-I didn't vote for him-but I am disgusted by the weaponization/politicization of the ABC agencies and the tactics employed here. Nadler, Pelosi and Schiff all said in 1998 that impeachment must be bi-partisan. Yet the only bi-partisan support is against impeachment. Heck, even a Dem congressman from New Jersey announced over the weekend he is switching parties because of these tactics. Al Green, AOC, Pelosi, Nadler, have all said publicly that if we don't impeach him, he will win re-election. That tells you all you need to know. They cannot beat him at the ballot box, so this is the next best thing they have. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a supporter. I apologize if it came out that way. So many things in all of this are taken out of context and blown out of proportion. It’s all planned to be divisive by both sides. Republicans have done just as much shady stuff as Democrats over the years and like you put it out there for me: if you can’t see that.. I’m sure many things are communicated behind closed doors but it’s very telling that publicly Republicans are whipping and saying this is for the party while the Democrats are saying it’s a conscience vote and to vote for what you think is right not unlike if this was a vote on articles of war.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 17:09:43 GMT -5
As for the NJ Representative I question his motivations. I think he’s just doing whatever he thinks will keep his seat. No matter which side takes that seat in its next election he should probably have a primary opponent from the party he chooses to go along with his opponent from the other party. At this point I don’t see how either could really count on him.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 17, 2019 21:45:43 GMT -5
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 18, 2019 9:57:39 GMT -5
It was absolutely rigged from the get go. If you don't see that based on the IG report, then you will never get it. The intelligence services (FBI/CIA) were weaponized to go after Trump. The Horowitz report lays that out in black and white. This is consistent with the use of the IRS against conservative groups years earlier, and use of the Labor Department to raid Romney supporters in 2012. The Mueller report did not deliver, so they had to engineer something else, which is Ukraine. That is also a big nothing. They released the transcript. Sondland testified there was no quid pro quo-only his presumption that there was one. The obstruction charge is based on POTUS challenging challenging Congressional subpoenas. SCOTUS blocked the enforcement of the subpoenas and has agreed to hear the challenge. Thus one of the grounds of impeachment has been undercut by SCOTUS indicating the challenge has merit. I'm no Trumper-I didn't vote for him-but I am disgusted by the weaponization/politicization of the ABC agencies and the tactics employed here. Nadler, Pelosi and Schiff all said in 1998 that impeachment must be bi-partisan. Yet the only bi-partisan support is against impeachment. Heck, even a Dem congressman from New Jersey announced over the weekend he is switching parties because of these tactics. Al Green, AOC, Pelosi, Nadler, have all said publicly that if we don't impeach him, he will win re-election. That tells you all you need to know. They cannot beat him at the ballot box, so this is the next best thing they have. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a supporter. I apologize if it came out that way. So many things in all of this are taken out of context and blown out of proportion. It’s all planned to be divisive by both sides. Republicans have done just as much shady stuff as Democrats over the years and like you put it out there for me: if you can’t see that.. I’m sure many things are communicated behind closed doors but it’s very telling that publicly Republicans are whipping and saying this is for the party while the Democrats are saying it’s a conscience vote and to vote for what you think is right not unlike if this was a vote on articles of war. No offense, but it's naive to think this is a matter of conscience, and not political. Leading democrats have all stated that they have to impeach him, because that's is how they keep him from winning re-election in 2020. And by leading democrats, that includes Pelosi, who said it flat out in an interview. You also have to take into account their self interest: Pelosi's son has contracts with a Ukranian company (https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/pelosis-ukraine-dilema-son-worked-board-gas-company) Schiff's largest donors/bundlers is a Ukranian oligarch outline.com/3DVaZ2Biden's son-you know the story on that John Kerry's step son has contracts with a Ukrannian company Mitt Romney's top adviser was also on the Burisma board. www.theepochtimes.com/former-mitt-romney-adviser-serves-as-director-for-ukrainian-company-at-center-of-trump-whistleblower-complaint_3098457.htmlUkraine was the epicenter of the 2016 election interference for the democrats against Trump. The Ukranian embassy was referred to as "Hillary HQ." www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ukraine-interfered-in-the-2016-election-thats-a-fact-not-a-conspiracy-theorywww.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/world/europe/ukraine-paul-manafort.htmlWho was the DNC contractor that oversaw/investigated their "hacked" servers? Crowdstrike. And who founded Crowdstrike? A Ukranian. Ukraine is the epicenter of political corruption in the U.S. Money flows in as aide, the money gets disbursed to the companies, and it flows back to U.S. politicians and their families. Trump's request to investigate corruption is aimed at blowing the lid off of that. ANY POTUS has the responsibility to investigate and shut down this type of corruption affecting U.S. governance. Keep in mind that the people pushing the Impeachment are the SAME people who said there was a "mountain of evidence" that Trump colluded with Russia. They kept that narrative alive for 2.5 years to swing the outcome of the mid-terms. Mueller never found any evidence to support that claim. ANY. 2.5 years and $35mil in investigations. NO EVIDENCE. Did these people hold that evidence back from Mueller, or were they lying the entire time? Then the IG report drops and debunks EVERYTHING that Schiff said about Russian Collusion in his Intelligence Committee memo. Again-he lied about the entire thing. The IG report, and now the FISC excoriated the FBI for their conduct in setting this up. So now we have Ukraine. It's Russia 2.0. We have a whistleblower who wasn't on the call, Atkinson, the IG for NISC, changing the whistleblower rules to permit the report based on hearsay (after the call) (Atkinson, BTW, was the NISC attorney for the FISA warrants-see a connection?) and the whistleblower has connections to the Biden campaign. Hmmm.... Then the whistleblower complaint fails to divulge, as required, that he was coordinating with congressmembers and staff-Schiff. Schiff then hires the whistleblower's best buddy on his staff. Vindman has been alleged a leaker by others within the NISC, and we know he lied about knowing the whistleblower-just like Schiff did. If neither Schiff nor Vindman know the identity of the whistleblower, why would Schiff prevent GOP from questioning Vindman about who he discussed the call with? Why would Vindman refuse to divulge with whom he discussed the call-for fear of identifying the whistleblower-if he doesn't know who it is? If this wasn't political, why did Schiff refuse to allow GOP to call witnesses, and limit their questioning of the witnesses who were called?
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 18, 2019 10:11:45 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that she spend the last 2.5 years telling us that Russian Collusion was also real.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 18, 2019 23:57:12 GMT -5
They’re all taking money from suspect places. On both sides.
It does seem like you’ve made up your mind though. Your arguments are pretty subjective.
You’ve almost hit all of the talking points and outed all the major players. You just left out the parts where the side your defending commits an equal amount of egregious acts.
Nobody gets a pass here. It’s not ok regardless.
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 19, 2019 9:47:04 GMT -5
Trump targets Dingell, late husband during rally with hell reference www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/18/trump-targets-dingell-late-husband-during-battle-creek-rally/2692307001/What the president said was reprehensible, and he needs to apologize to the Dingell family. But can I say one thing that bothers me, no actually pisses me off: Lets not act like these legislators are sacrificing or giving something up, to "provide a lifetime of service" to their country! These are not armed service members serving over-seas. These are very highly paid, lavish lifestyle, jobs. They drive around in Limos, fly all over the country for free, and get wealthy while "serving" the people. It is just bullshit and pisses me off. Rant over, sorry.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 19, 2019 16:52:07 GMT -5
They’re all taking money from suspect places. On both sides. It does seem like you’ve made up your mind though. Your arguments are pretty subjective. You’ve almost hit all of the talking points and outed all the major players. You just left out the parts where the side your defending commits an equal amount of egregious acts. Nobody gets a pass here. It’s not ok regardless. Just responding to your points, and laying the basis for believing it is political. Never said the GOP is clean, nor have I ever. I don't vote for either party. They should both be burned to the ground. I vote third party, and have since 1996. I do have fealty to the Constitution and the rule of law, and that includes a belief in fairness and due process. This impeachment did not meet any standard that could fall within that. Having read the actual articles of impeachment, I am struck by the vagueness of the accusations, the lack of any citation to any law, and the fact that the generalities apply to most of those sitting in both the House and Senate, and to Biden as VP.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 21, 2019 9:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 28, 2019 12:09:34 GMT -5
LOL. Mueller spent 2.5 years and $35mil and couldn't verify a word of the Dossier. IG Horowitz report concludes that the FBI tried to verify it, but the witnesses said it was untrue. Sure, there are people still touting it, but the Dossier was partisan political junk, and the FISA Court has issued an Order reprimanding the FBI for using it. But keep on believing it. LOL
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 29, 2019 8:57:34 GMT -5
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Because Democrats and DNC Media won't tell you the truth about it, here's what actually happened the last 4 years. <br><br>1) The SpyGate plotters started spying on Donald Trump and his team back in 2015. They claim they started in late July 2016 is 100% a lie.</p>— RussiaGate Was 100% Fake SpyGate Is 100% Real (@drawandstrike) <a href="https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1210996021645467649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Post by Pollux on Dec 31, 2019 18:46:00 GMT -5
LOL. Mueller spent 2.5 years and $35mil and couldn't verify a word of the Dossier. IG Horowitz report concludes that the FBI tried to verify it, but the witnesses said it was untrue. Sure, there are people still touting it, but the Dossier was partisan political junk, and the FISA Court has issued an Order reprimanding the FBI for using it. But keep on believing it. LOL I didn’t claim to believe anything. I just posted the tweet because you keep talking about it.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 31, 2019 18:49:24 GMT -5
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