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Post by Pollux on Aug 29, 2017 11:54:19 GMT -5
People are actually complaining about Stafford's contract? Because people have short memories and forget what things were like before we got him. Like when we went 0-16 to get the number one pick and take him first overall. They're also too dumb or too stubborn to understand or comprehend the economics of the league at the QB position. We don't live that far from Cleveland. They haven't had a QB since they came back into existence and draft one in the first round at least every two years. One year I think they took two. Kizor may or may not be the answer either. Houston, Buffalo, and the Jets have also been searching for years. There are 32 teams in this league and not enough staring caliber QB's to lead each of them. It's possible there isn't for half. I think he ended up giving the Lions the hometown discount. With this year added in it makes six years at something like $25.25. He didn't have to sign now with what Cousins is doing and Stafford had all the leverage. The fact that his yearly number doesn't begin with the number 3 says a whole lot I think. I thought the opening offer would have had to have been $30M with how badly the Redskins handled Cousins. Maybe the signing bonus and guaranteed money offset that as far as Stafford is concerned. Basically the guaranteed money covers what he would have made if he held out and got franchised. The Redskins can't franchise Cousins again and will have to trade him. When he gets his new deal he is gonna cost more and Condon knows that. Kirk Cousins will make $30M plus when he gets his deal.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 29, 2017 12:02:23 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty friendly. I was hearing it could go to $30 million, so $27 doesn't seem too bad. Every decent starter gets the next biggest contract. I hate how the media emphasizes its the largest contract in the history of the NFL. Well so was David Carrs a few months ago, and so was the QB that signed before him. And the next QB to sign will break Staffords record. Agree. And what's the alternative? Cheap and controllable has very high odds against. Not a gamble I'd like to take when you have a talented and capable guy already. In this league you don't give up a proven commodity for an unproven one. Not at QB. Dak was a fluke and if Romo wasn't out you never would have seen him. Letting Stafford walk puts you into QB purgatory again. Don't think that if you let him walk that at least 10-15 teams would give him the keys to the vault. He'd probably make much more due to the bidding war it'd start. Don't think that a few teams you think are all set wouldn't try to upgrade and grab him either. He's a gunslinger very much in the mold of Favre and is one of about four guys who has ever thrown for 5,000 yards in a season. You don't have to like him or how he plays but the Lions need him.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 29, 2017 12:42:44 GMT -5
People are actually complaining about Stafford's contract? Because people have short memories and forget what things were like before we got him. Like when we went 0-16 to get the number one pick and take him first overall. They're also too dumb or too stubborn to understand or comprehend the economics of the league at the QB position. We don't live that far from Cleveland. They haven't had a QB since they came back into existence and draft one in the first round at least every two years. One year I think they took two. Kizor may or may not be the answer either. Houston, Buffalo, and the Jets have also been searching for years. There are 32 teams in this league and not enough staring caliber QB's to lead each of them. It's possible there isn't for half. I think he ended up giving the Lions the hometown discount. With this year added in it makes six years at something like $25.25. He didn't have to sign now with what Cousins is doing and Stafford had all the leverage. The fact that his yearly number doesn't begin with the number 3 says a whole lot I think. I thought the opening offer would have had to have been $30M with how badly the Redskins handled Cousins. Maybe the signing bonus and guaranteed money offset that as far as Stafford is concerned. Basically the guaranteed money covers what he would have made if he held out and got franchised. The Redskins can't franchise Cousins again and will have to trade him. When he gets his new deal he is gonna cost more and Condon knows that. Kirk Cousins will make $30M plus when he gets his deal. Excellent points.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 29, 2017 19:12:51 GMT -5
Because people have short memories and forget what things were like before we got him. Like when we went 0-16 to get the number one pick and take him first overall. They're also too dumb or too stubborn to understand or comprehend the economics of the league at the QB position. We don't live that far from Cleveland. They haven't had a QB since they came back into existence and draft one in the first round at least every two years. One year I think they took two. Kizor may or may not be the answer either. Houston, Buffalo, and the Jets have also been searching for years. There are 32 teams in this league and not enough staring caliber QB's to lead each of them. It's possible there isn't for half. I think he ended up giving the Lions the hometown discount. With this year added in it makes six years at something like $25.25. He didn't have to sign now with what Cousins is doing and Stafford had all the leverage. The fact that his yearly number doesn't begin with the number 3 says a whole lot I think. I thought the opening offer would have had to have been $30M with how badly the Redskins handled Cousins. Maybe the signing bonus and guaranteed money offset that as far as Stafford is concerned. Basically the guaranteed money covers what he would have made if he held out and got franchised. The Redskins can't franchise Cousins again and will have to trade him. When he gets his new deal he is gonna cost more and Condon knows that. Kirk Cousins will make $30M plus when he gets his deal. Excellent points.Thanks. I think the Lions made a really good deal.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 30, 2017 19:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 31, 2017 7:35:42 GMT -5
I don't put any stock in what Cowherd says about the coaches/wives moving. But he makes a good point about the Matt Ryan comparison. I think Ryan and Stafford are very similar quarterbacks. People are putting the Lions record on Stafford, but anyone who knows this organization knows that the record is much more indicative of the ownership/management than it is a representation of the QB.
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Post by flintoid on Aug 31, 2017 8:08:19 GMT -5
I don't put any stock in what Cowherd says about the coaches/wives moving. But he makes a good point about the Matt Ryan comparison. I think Ryan and Stafford are very similar quarterbacks. People are putting the Lions record on Stafford, but anyone who knows this organization knows that the record is much more indicative of the ownership/management than it is a representation of the QB. Stafford, 61.5% 187 TD's, 108 pics. Ryan, 65% 240 TD's, 114 pics
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Post by Pollux on Aug 31, 2017 11:14:36 GMT -5
I don't put any stock in what Cowherd says about the coaches/wives moving. But he makes a good point about the Matt Ryan comparison. I think Ryan and Stafford are very similar quarterbacks. People are putting the Lions record on Stafford, but anyone who knows this organization knows that the record is much more indicative of the ownership/management than it is a representation of the QB. That and Quinn is tied to Stafford now. Their success or failure will reflect them both because of this deal.
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Post by fastfreddie on Aug 31, 2017 13:19:01 GMT -5
I don't put any stock in what Cowherd says about the coaches/wives moving. But he makes a good point about the Matt Ryan comparison. I think Ryan and Stafford are very similar quarterbacks. People are putting the Lions record on Stafford, but anyone who knows this organization knows that the record is much more indicative of the ownership/management than it is a representation of the QB. Stafford, 61.5% 187 TD's, 108 pics. Ryan, 65% 240 TD's, 114 pics Yeah, closer than I thought.
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Post by philly on Aug 31, 2017 21:09:49 GMT -5
Ahhhhh football is back
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Post by Pollux on Sept 3, 2017 12:51:09 GMT -5
Some interesting cuts and moves around the league. Quinn even got something back for a couple guys who may have just been cut.
I knew Asiata wasn't gonna be around. Especially after he couldn't break tackles and move the ball against third and fourth stringers.
Tampa took Aguayo in the fifth round last year? Then he got cut by them and now the Bears this year. Sounds like he was worth it.
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Post by fastfreddie on Sept 8, 2017 14:25:08 GMT -5
Wow Kansas City!
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Post by Pollux on Feb 5, 2022 17:18:41 GMT -5
Well here we are.
Matthew Stafford Super Bowl incoming.
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