psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Jan 16, 2015 16:47:35 GMT -5
Philly,
Are you saying you think it's ok to cover stuff up for the sake of the program?
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Post by philly on Jan 16, 2015 17:06:17 GMT -5
No I'm saying the ncaa isn't staffed to investigate crimes this serious and the penalties they can give out are a joke compared to these crimes.
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:07:19 GMT -5
Were you fucked in the butt by a football coach by chance? As a father, I 100% agree with the need for punishment for those who are guilty and retribution for the victims. The players on those team are not guilty and don't to be punished by proxy. Their punishment is no retribution to the victims. How about holding the fuck who could have stopped this responsible still. They hid it to protect his legacy and wins. By restoring that shit, you're telling those victims, fuck you. JoPa's dead bro... Not sure you saw the news. His legacy is already fucked. If you think this restores it, then you have a pretty cheapened idea of what a legacy is.
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:09:39 GMT -5
There really isn't any way anyone can convince me that the cover-up was worse than the crime. Sandusky is the monster and its a crying shame that people can think otherwise. With that said, the other adults involved certainly enabled the monster by their inaction, ignorance, and disregard for children. They are criminals too in my mind, but not on the same level as Sandusky. What is totally clear is that way too much value has been placed on these wins - by everyone. It's abhorrent that the NCAA has bartered them over fear of losing a lawsuit. It's even more abhorrent that there was a lawsuit filed over something as meaningless as football wins while so many kids were violated and they literally have no recourse to right the true wrongs. This whole thing makes me puke. what if the cover up allowed a dozen more kids to be molested? Hypothetical strawmen are the best strawmen
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Post by AK on Jan 16, 2015 17:12:21 GMT -5
How about holding the fuck who could have stopped this responsible still. They hid it to protect his legacy and wins. By restoring that shit, you're telling those victims, fuck you. JoPa's dead bro... Not sure you saw the news. His legacy is already fucked. If you think this restores it, then you have a pretty cheapened idea of what a legacy is. He is not your bro, guy. Deadspin nailed it
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:12:27 GMT -5
Were you fucked in the butt by a football coach by chance? As a father, I 100% agree with the need for punishment for those who are guilty and retribution for the victims. The players on those team are not guilty and don't to be punished by proxy. Their punishment is no retribution to the victims. As a father, I'd want everyone who committed or hid the acts held accountable. As to your other fucking question, no. But I would expect a father to feel strongly about defenseless kids being raped. You're being more concerned about football wins makes me wonder if you had been and enjoyed it... Im not concerned about football wins- in fact I am 100% absolutely unconcerned with them. The wins have no bearing on how I feel about what happened. You can take them or keep them... Because they have nothing to do with a child being raped. Hence why it's dumb to make them an issue in the first place and even more so that you have placed so much value in them.
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:13:07 GMT -5
Law enforcement should hold everyone who committed or hid acts held accountable. NCAA should then ban people that committed crimes. Pretty cut and dry- you would think.
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:19:17 GMT -5
Psycaz has a strong disconnect between emotional and rational. Hell hath no fury like a psycaz scorned... Your position with this is so emotionally charged that it's hard to not wonder what personal connection you have to this or similar occurrences.
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Post by joeking1978 on Jan 16, 2015 17:24:35 GMT -5
JoPa's dead bro... Not sure you saw the news. His legacy is already fucked. If you think this restores it, then you have a pretty cheapened idea of what a legacy is. He is not your bro, guy. Deadspin nailed it Who you calling guy, pal? Deadspin always nails it... I hope no one is concealing it.
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Post by philly on Jan 16, 2015 17:33:52 GMT -5
All Emmys should be stripped from the Cosby show.
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Jan 16, 2015 17:36:06 GMT -5
Psycaz has a strong disconnect between emotional and rational. Hell hath no fury like a psycaz scorned... Your position with this is so emotionally charged that it's hard to not wonder what personal connection you have to this or similar occurrences. I'm human. It sickens me to watch folks try to minimize what happened. To give in to what was a contributing factoring in this.
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Post by psycaz on Jan 16, 2015 17:38:56 GMT -5
As a father, I'd want everyone who committed or hid the acts held accountable. As to your other fucking question, no. But I would expect a father to feel strongly about defenseless kids being raped. You're being more concerned about football wins makes me wonder if you had been and enjoyed it... Im not concerned about football wins- in fact I am 100% absolutely unconcerned with them. The wins have no bearing on how I feel about what happened. You can take them or keep them... Because they have nothing to do with a child being raped. Hence why it's dumb to make them an issue in the first place and even more so that you have placed so much value in them. In this case, football, wins and legacy are what allowed this to continue for so long.
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Post by psycaz on Jan 16, 2015 17:41:01 GMT -5
what if the cover up allowed a dozen more kids to be molested? Hypothetical strawmen are the best strawmen Is it a straw man inthis case? If proper action had been taken, Sandusky would have been stopped sooner. No denying that.
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Post by flemgoblue on Jan 16, 2015 17:42:52 GMT -5
what if the cover up allowed a dozen more kids to be molested? Hypothetical strawmen are the best strawmen its not a strawman if it happened
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Post by steve6884 on Jan 16, 2015 19:01:42 GMT -5
All Emmys should be stripped from the Cosby show. Reaching arent you? Nobody remembers Emmys but who is the coach with most wins is often talked about and bragged about and will be for years
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Post by philly on Jan 16, 2015 19:17:59 GMT -5
All Emmys should be stripped from the Cosby show. Reaching arent you? Nobody remembers Emmys but who is the coach with most wins is often talked about and bragged about and will be for years Makes sense to punish an additional 120 players per year that had nothing to do with it.
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Post by psycaz on Jan 16, 2015 19:48:12 GMT -5
Reaching arent you? Nobody remembers Emmys but who is the coach with most wins is often talked about and bragged about and will be for years Makes sense to punish an additional 120 players per year that had nothing to do with it. Why do they have to restore his wins to give him back that recognition? As was suggested, give them back to the university if they must, but not him.
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Post by philly on Jan 16, 2015 20:46:08 GMT -5
Makes sense to punish an additional 120 players per year that had nothing to do with it. Why do they have to restore his wins to give him back that recognition? As was suggested, give them back to the university if they must, but not him. I'm fine with that.
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Post by fastfreddie on Jan 16, 2015 21:28:56 GMT -5
Philly and Joeking, you lose this debate. Those crimes do not happen, without the Penn State football machine.
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Post by fastfreddie on Jan 16, 2015 21:34:11 GMT -5
Reaching arent you? Nobody remembers Emmys but who is the coach with most wins is often talked about and bragged about and will be for years Makes sense to punish an additional 120 players per year that had nothing to do with it. Just like it made sense to punish UM basketball, long after Cweeb and Co. We're long gone.
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Post by azuric on Jan 16, 2015 21:58:21 GMT -5
Not a fan of this, too many of the people who had a chance to stop this walked away and sticking it to JoePa's legacy for knowingly turning his head was one of the few parts of this case I could get behind. Locking up Sandusky of course being the primary. But putting them back in my mind says they validate JoePa, and it will validate it for many of the mouth breathers in Happy Valley.
But its for all the kids who lost their wins! Ok I'd buy that if anyone was talking about how nice it was that class XYZ has their wins back but no, that's not who we're doing this for. It's for JoePa, so Penn State can start to bury the hatchet by pretending their patriarch did no wrong as they trot the statue back out again.
Just further proof that the NCAA is a bunch of toothless hypocrites who don't have the power to do more than pad their own pockets. What's next, we going to give OSU back their wins for their cheating scandal? Forgive the sweatervest for his transgressions? Oh wait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 9:28:25 GMT -5
Not a football matter imo. FBI situation.
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Post by fastfreddie on Jan 17, 2015 9:41:32 GMT -5
Not a football matter imo. FBI situation. I agree to a certain extent, or in addition to. But, they covered it up to protect the football program, and that is how I feel it ties in. That's why I believe the program/coach should be punished by the NCAA.
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Post by philly on Jan 17, 2015 9:46:30 GMT -5
Paterno covered it up/ignored it to protect himself. Why do you keep making the leap to punish the entire program? Punish the criminals.
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Post by fastfreddie on Jan 17, 2015 10:24:18 GMT -5
Paterno covered it up/ignored it to protect himself. Why do you keep making the leap to punish the entire program? Punish the criminals. It's not a leap. See the FabFive or SMu football. Who/what was punished in those cases?
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