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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 5, 2014 8:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Juicy on Dec 5, 2014 9:50:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the centipede but that would have to mean Max is staying.
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Post by jb on Dec 5, 2014 10:08:34 GMT -5
I really hope that tbey are at least kicking the tires in guys like McCarthy and Neshek in the bullpen. They dont necessarily need any more big name guys here but some affordable solid players would really make the team better imo
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Post by aaugusti on Dec 5, 2014 10:36:36 GMT -5
Robbie Ray traded to Arizona and the Tigers get back Shane Greene in a 3 team deal. Just flashed on the Detroit News.
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 5, 2014 10:39:00 GMT -5
Interesting. Thanks...will look into that 3 team deal.
Oh, back to my original post...I'm actually okay with Porcello being traded, as long as what we get back is an everyday player in a need we have. Not for a couple of super subs.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 5, 2014 10:42:35 GMT -5
Robbie Ray traded to Arizona and the Tigers get back Shane Greene in a 3 team deal. Just flashed on the Detroit News. Poor fister Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by jb on Dec 5, 2014 10:52:52 GMT -5
Verlander, sanchez, fister, porcello and smyly. That should be the rotation this year. Somehow DD fucked that up.
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Post by philly on Dec 5, 2014 10:58:01 GMT -5
Is greene better than ray or just different?
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Post by smoothskillzz on Dec 5, 2014 14:29:29 GMT -5
any lefthanded bat on da horizon....
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Post by psycaz on Dec 5, 2014 14:31:41 GMT -5
Why does it seem the Tigers keep throwing more shit at the wall trying to make the Fister trade/debacle look better?
The gave away Fister. Now they trade away the main guy they got in return + more to get what exactly?
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Post by jb on Dec 5, 2014 15:56:16 GMT -5
Well they got a guy who is probably a better pitcher than Ray. Doesnt make the Fister trade any better.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 5, 2014 17:20:25 GMT -5
Greene and Ray have similar upsides - basically a #4 starter. However, at this point Greene is much closer to reaching that upside than Ray. The obvious differences are handedness and age - Ray is a lefty, Greene is a righty, and Ray turned 23 two months ago, while Greene just turned 26. However, they both have less than one season of MLB service time, and will be under team control for at least 5 more years. Also...they're both missing pitches, that leads to some pretty severe platoon issues. Ray has never figured out how to spin a breaking ball, and in his brief time in the Majors right-handed hitters put up an OPS of 1.039 against him. Greene doesn't really have a changeup, so lefties hit him better than right-handed hitters. If you guys are like me, you remember being pretty upset when Greene, who was never a big prospect and basically came out of nowhere, essentially shut down the Tigers twice last year. Here are some highlights: mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=35162023&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_head_and_shouldersm.mlb.com/video/v35728247/nyydet-greene-fans-eight-over-seven-to-earn-the-win/?c_id=mlbI'm sure the front office remembered those performances. Greene was a 15th round pick in 2009 out of a community college in Florida. He never posted an ERA under 4 until 2013, when he reworked his mechanics and his mental approach, and combined to go 12-10, 3.38 in 154.1 innings between high-A and AA. He wasn't particularly good in AAA last year, posting a 4.61 ERA, but then he came to the Majors and was...pretty good. He went 5-4, 3.78 (with a 3.73 FIP) and 81 Hits, 29 walks, 8 HR, and 81 Ks in 78.2 IP Greene is 6'4, 200 and you can see from the videos that he throws across his body a bit, which adds some deception but may also hamper his control from time to time. From a scouting perspective, Greene throws both a sinker and a four-seam fastball in the 91-94 range, but he can run them all the way up to 96-97 when he's pumped up. He backs that up with a solid slider in the 82-85 range, and a nice cutter in the 87-90 range. His below-average changeup is about 88 mph and he rarely throws it. There's a non-zero chance he's a reliever long term, but I'm sure the Tigers will work very hard to help him refine his changeup. And if you're curious about what the Tigers gave up, here are some very quick things I wrote at the Inferno (RIP) 3 - Robbie Ray - LHP - (23) - With every MLB start he looks worse and worse, but he's still young and he still has talent. I'm not a huge fan...but this isn't a great system. On the 40-man, I expect him to be up in September. 19 - Domingo Leyba - 2B - (19) - Leyba was dominant in the Domincan Summer League last year, but scouting reports have him doing it more with a grinder mentality and good instincts than tools. He didn't start playing until mid year, and skipped over rookie ball to short-season Connecticut. Then he jumped to low-A, and he has been hitting the cover off the ball for more than a month. His success is very nice, but as I said, the tools don't project to be much more than average.
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Post by philly on Dec 5, 2014 19:24:34 GMT -5
Thanks cb
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Post by mtdman on Dec 5, 2014 20:56:51 GMT -5
Why is it that the tigers and lions like to trade for players that had good games against them?
Id rather deal price and keep porky. Price doesnt want to be here.
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 6, 2014 0:13:43 GMT -5
I hate the fact that Ray is a lefty and younger, and Greene is a righty and older.
But (and I wonder if Dombrowski operates this way) if Ray couldn't do it with the Tigers, he cannot do it. What I mean by this, is Comerica is still a pitchers Park, and he had a great lineup batting in front of him. Green on the other hand perhaps didn't have as friendly of a park for pitchers or the type of lineup/offense.
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Post by steve6884 on Dec 6, 2014 9:31:39 GMT -5
Anybody else wonder why teams are so willing to give up on Cespedes?
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 6, 2014 12:44:01 GMT -5
Anybody else wonder why teams are so willing to give up on Cespedes? The short answer is that he's not as good as fans seem to think he is. Yes, he has a ton of raw power and a cannon of an arm, but he's not really a base stealing threat anymore, and his approach at the plate prevents him from getting eon baseball that much, or truly tapping into that power. I didn't come up with this comparison, but I saw someone say that Cespedes is basically Torii Hunter with defense. There's certainy value in that, but the A's thought Lester brought more value, and the Red Sox have surplus outfielders and a hole in their rotation.
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Post by mtdman on Dec 7, 2014 22:27:35 GMT -5
Getting the centipede would still be a good get for the Tigers, and give the lineup more depth when it comes to hitting. They really need to improve that depth. In the past, once you get past #5 or #6 there's no one to fear. Like I said I don't mind dealing Porky, let's just get someone of value in exchange. Quit trying to make last year's trade better. And quit trading for the sake of trading.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 9, 2014 9:19:53 GMT -5
White Sox traded for Samardzija and signed David Robertson. They have a pretty nasty rotation now. If the Tigers plan on winning the division again this year they'll really have to earn it...everyone but the Twins should compete.
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Post by caper on Dec 9, 2014 13:03:14 GMT -5
read somewhere last night that the tigers moved on from the cespedes / porky talks, tigers wanted more than cepedes
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Post by TheGeneral on Dec 9, 2014 13:07:34 GMT -5
I'm not convinced on the Indians. I think Kluber pitched over his head last year, and that Salazar is another 2 seasons from making the Leap. Also they need more than Brantley to hit for average, which means Santana needs to pick it up a bit.
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Post by FartTaco on Dec 9, 2014 14:22:40 GMT -5
I agree, none of the those moves really scare me
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Post by mtdman on Dec 9, 2014 14:55:57 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the pitching rotation than the hitting. Those bats just killed us last year. Even sticking with the rotation we have right now with Porky, Sanchez, Price, Verlander and whoever, it's still solid. Getting those bats in the bottom of the order to hit is important.
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Post by FartTaco on Dec 9, 2014 14:56:38 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the pitching rotation than the hitting. Those bats just killed us last year. Even sticking with the rotation we have right now with Porky, Sanchez, Price, Verlander and whoever, it's still solid. Getting those bats in the bottom of the order to hit is important. I still think we need bullpen help
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Post by mtdman on Dec 9, 2014 15:05:42 GMT -5
I'm less worried about the pitching rotation than the hitting. Those bats just killed us last year. Even sticking with the rotation we have right now with Porky, Sanchez, Price, Verlander and whoever, it's still solid. Getting those bats in the bottom of the order to hit is important. I still think we need bullpen help That too.
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