psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Dec 18, 2014 9:33:36 GMT -5
I don't know if I've seen a more "political/social wind" article in my freaking life!!!!
Can we at least be honest about feelings/events and NOT adjust them to the current political/social issues.
The First Lady's account of her Target experience in this article is a travesty.
From the article:
"I tell this story – I mean, even as the first lady – during that wonderfully publicized trip I took to Target, not highly disguised, the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to help her take something off a shelf. Because she didn't see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her. Those kinds of things happen in life. So it isn't anything new."
Just a WOW moment right???
Just one minor factual issue...
She was on freaking Letterman shortly after it happened and had a "slightly" different view on that exchange... It's about the 4:40 mark
She enjoyed interacting with someone as a normal person again. No racism at all noted. Just a short woman asking someone for help.
Guess what, if it takes you a year to decide something was racist and that's seemingly only because of the current political and social environment, plus it helps further your cause, it's probably wasn't racism.
Hell, I've help multiple people get shit down from shelves, never thought it was anything but people asking for help.
WHICH IS WAS!!!!!!!!!!
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reggie
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Post by reggie on Dec 18, 2014 9:41:02 GMT -5
newsflash: most people probably couldn't pick more than a couple of first ladies out of a lineup. no racism, but sorry you're not that famous.
edit: not to mention the fact that if you're standing in target trying to get a box off the shelf, would you think "holy shit it's michelle obama" or "huh. that lady looks kinda like michelle obama."?
or "wtf? why are all these weirdos in suits surrounding this lady?".
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Dec 18, 2014 9:51:10 GMT -5
She was disguised and only had her assistant close to her.
Just some woman who is short looking for help getting something off a high shelf. Just like The First Lady thought it was last year.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 18, 2014 11:54:49 GMT -5
So it's supposed to be racist because nobody came up to her and talked to her? I walk through stores all the time and people aren't talking to me.
Or is it racist because she was tall and could reach something high? This is dumb.
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Dec 18, 2014 12:35:43 GMT -5
It was racist because the woman asked her to get something off the shelf.
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Post by mtdman on Dec 21, 2014 5:19:03 GMT -5
Seems to me race relations nationally have gone backwards 40 years since Obama took office.
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Post by joeking1978 on Dec 21, 2014 8:18:48 GMT -5
I actually agree with this... I don't remember race relations being this volatile since the Rodney King days
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 21, 2014 8:57:09 GMT -5
I actually agree with this... I don't remember race relations being this volatile since the Rodney King days It's not just race. We are being divided on all kinds of demographic lines. "War on Women" trying to escalate tensions between sexes; Occupy Wall Street trying create divides between economic classes; Sanford, Ferguson, Staten Island episodes used to exploite racial divides; Executive action on Amnesty-pitting Hispanics against Blacks and Whites. It's going to import job losses to the detriment of current citizens. (Look at stats as to where the job growth has been in in the last 7 years and the current unemployment rates in the black community-this is going to be a disaster-Nafta on steroids in many ways.) It's a comprehensive strategy to maintain political power. Divide and conquer. Plus it sets the stage for these incidents to occur, which then creates an impetus for more federal power expansion. Never let a crisis go to waste. Enhanced by a media that loves to sensationalize these episodes for ratings. We the people keep taking the bait.
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Post by joeking1978 on Dec 21, 2014 9:54:25 GMT -5
Bingo- you can always count on a farmer to put politics so eloquently
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Post by mtdman on Dec 21, 2014 14:53:22 GMT -5
So then we can say that Obama and the dems are racists/classists/general divisionists?
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Dec 21, 2014 19:43:31 GMT -5
So then we can say that Obama and the dems are racists/classists/general divisionists? Nope, that would be racist.
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Pollux
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Post by Pollux on Dec 21, 2014 22:27:06 GMT -5
Arabics are way more racist towards them than we are. From what I've been told Bangladese are the most racist.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 22, 2014 6:47:50 GMT -5
So then we can say that Obama and the dems are racists/classists/general divisionists? You don't think the two party system is also a way to create divisions? The parties are not about ideology. If they were, they wouldn't switch positions depending on who holds the white house. Dems were against deficits and military action when Bush had the credict card. Now they are all for it.
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Post by Lead Dong on Dec 22, 2014 7:19:23 GMT -5
Ironic that the uniter has sent race relations back 40 years. Nice legacy.
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Post by ScottYoshonis on Dec 22, 2014 8:48:22 GMT -5
Ironic that the uniter has sent race relations back 40 years. Nice legacy. What nonsense. As if mentioning divisions is the same thing as creating them. Sorry, racism and its effects don't go away just because you don't feel like acknowledging it. And blaming them on those who try to address them (ineffectually, since all Obama is really done is pay lip service to them, despite what all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the right-wing echo chamber would lead you to believe) is nothing short of ignorant.
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Post by ScottYoshonis on Dec 22, 2014 8:51:00 GMT -5
So then we can say that Obama and the dems are racists/classists/general divisionists? Not unless you don't know the difference between creating a problem and trying to solve it.
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Post by mtdman on Dec 22, 2014 18:19:40 GMT -5
All I know is I haven't seen this kind of shit since the 70s. Obama comes along and bam, right back 40 years ago. Nice.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 22, 2014 20:04:33 GMT -5
All I know is I haven't seen this kind of shit since the 70s. Obama comes along and bam, right back 40 years ago. Nice. That was almost 50 years ago. 47 years since the Detroit riots.
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Post by Pollux on Dec 22, 2014 20:12:23 GMT -5
All I know is I haven't seen this kind of shit since the 70s. Obama comes along and bam, right back 40 years ago. Nice. Things have always been tense here racially. I don't think Obama has changed the severity of it any more from its course than anything else. It has it's own path.
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Post by mtdman on Dec 23, 2014 2:22:56 GMT -5
I think instead of trying to temper some of the race issues he's exploiting it and making it worse, creating a bigger divide. That has set this nation back.
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Post by Deuterium Oxide on Dec 23, 2014 9:06:12 GMT -5
I think instead of trying to temper some of the race issues he's exploiting it and making it worse, creating a bigger divide. That has set this nation back. How is he exploiting race issues?
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Post by reggie on Dec 23, 2014 9:42:31 GMT -5
maybe he's confusing sharpton with obama.
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Post by The Hoff on Dec 23, 2014 10:25:28 GMT -5
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psycaz
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Post by psycaz on Dec 23, 2014 10:42:19 GMT -5
Let's see...
The police acted stupidly. Aka being a black man with white police
(Nothing like allowing the police to do their jobs and get a complete understanding of a situation)
Then
If I had a son...aka being black and profiled/killed by a white person
(The POTUS is as white as George Zimmerman and neither claim to be)
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Hands Up, Don't Shoot. Aka black man killed by racist white cop My son (again)
(Didn't matter that wasn't what happened, officer attacked in his squad car, assailant ran, stopped, turned and charged the officer again)
And finally
I Can't Breathe. Aka black man killed by racist white cop.
(Wait, one I agree with being wrong BUT it had nothing to do with race) Bad training for the police. They were taught: the take down move at the academy as well as if a suspect can talk, he can breathe. From what was being said after it happened and after the GJ decision.
So, are these examples of helping or enflaming a problem?
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Post by mtdman on Dec 23, 2014 20:47:39 GMT -5
Obama should have never said jack shit about any of this. He comes out on the side of the protesters, makes public comment about these things that encourage the protesters. This goes back all the way to day one, and includes the 'occupy wall street' bull shit. The president should not be commenting on individual cases like this, and certainly shouldn't be promoting division on these things. As Hoff mentioned, 3 representatives go to the Mike Brown funeral. The dude was a criminal and had a rap sheet a mile long. He sends federal officials to his funeral, commits federal resources to the case before any of the facts are known, and basically chooses a side before the real facts are known and the grand jury has a chance to make a decision. Then when things don't turn out the way he's promoting, the shit hits the fan. It's all about creating divisions, that's the democratic party strategy. Comes straight out of Saul Alinsky's play book. Keep the masses divided, keep the poor fighting the rich, black fighting white, latinos fighting everyone. Keep social unrest in the country. I have NEVER seen this much nationwide political protesting in my life. His administration, the dems, support that. The nation is divided right now, people are fighting in the streets and burning shit down, killing cops, hurting one another. Why in 2014 are people burning and looting while protesting?
This isn't a democrat/republican thing. This is a matter of social division, racial division, economic division. The president is supposed to lead us. All he is leading is the creation and promotion of these divisions. This is not progress. As a nation we have regressed in the past 6 years. As much as people hated President Bush, we didn't see this kind of division and unrest during his term in office. As much as people hated him and protested the war, nobody got violent or killed anyone or burned anything down. We didn't see this kind of stuff under President Clinton. When the Rodney King riots happened in LA during Bush I's turn in office, it didn't spread all over the nation and it wasn't fanned and promoted by the President. I don't remember this kind of shit during Reagan or Carter's time in office, and the economy was in a much worse place in the late 70s and early 80s. And once the economy got humming in the 80s, people were too busy making money. This is something new, something that we had moved past 40 years ago. Yes we have had racial and social unrest during that time, but we worked on it as a nation, we didn't go into the streets and burn shit down, steal shit, kill people. It's no coincidence that it has gotten worse in the past 6 years. I don't care if you don't agree, history shows it is true. Missouri looks like detroit circa 1968. That's not progress, that's not the great unifying force we were falsly promised in 2008. That's regression and division, and it's going on during the great messiah's presidency.
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