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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 10:36:22 GMT -5
I think it has to be either Mike Leake or Alfredo Simon. Neither guy does much for me.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 11, 2014 11:07:48 GMT -5
Come on cueto
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Post by TheGeneral on Dec 11, 2014 11:13:26 GMT -5
Scherzer-Price-Verlander-Cueto...Lobstein
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Post by psycaz on Dec 11, 2014 11:28:57 GMT -5
Morosi saying Alfredo Simon
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 11:29:02 GMT -5
It's Alfredo Simon. He is 33, sucked as a reliever, and basically sucks as a starter. Also, was once charged with involuntary manslaughter for shooting and killing a guy, and was accused of raping a woman in Washington D.C. Awesome.
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Post by psycaz on Dec 11, 2014 11:39:45 GMT -5
Suarez and Crawford going back to Reds
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Post by fastfreddie on Dec 11, 2014 11:40:05 GMT -5
Am I wrong for hoping that trading Porcello means they are committed to resigning Max?
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Post by waxing on Dec 11, 2014 11:42:27 GMT -5
Ugh. Alfredo Simon. His legal docket isn't pretty, got off for involuntary manslaughter in 2011 and was sued for rape earlier this year. 27 years old and pretty much has had one decent half of a season.
Already don't like this move and it doesn't matter what they gave up.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 11, 2014 11:43:28 GMT -5
Is he 33 or 27?
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Post by mattz1318 on Dec 11, 2014 11:44:44 GMT -5
According to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal, the Tigers have acquired Alfredo Simon from the Reds. So there's your Rick Porcello replacement. Simon posted a nice-looking 3.44 ERA and 1.20 WHIP in 196 1/3 innings this past season for the Reds, but he faded badly as the year went along and his peripheral numbers have never been very kind. The 33-year-old right-hander can become a free agent after the 2015 campaign. Cincinnati will get infielder Eugenio Suarez (and presumably some other players) in return.
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Post by waxing on Dec 11, 2014 11:45:02 GMT -5
Suarez and Crawford going back to Reds Fire Dombrowski. This is just an awful, awful trade. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo Edit- yeah 33 years old. You give up your first rounder and infield depth for this? Fister-level unbelievable. Boooooooooooooooo.
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Post by wacko on Dec 11, 2014 11:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by steve6884 on Dec 11, 2014 12:20:38 GMT -5
If a latin player says they are 33 how many years do you add on to get their real age?
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 13:58:14 GMT -5
If a latin player says they are 33 how many years do you add on to get their real age? From wikipedia: Simón was signed on July 9, 1999, by the Philadelphia Phillies. He originally signed under the name Carlos Cabrera, and he pretended to be 21 months younger than he really was. He made his professional debut in 2000 for the La Vega Phillies in the Dominican Summer League.[1] In 2004, the Phillies found out his real name and age.[2]
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Post by mtdman on Dec 11, 2014 13:59:59 GMT -5
My only hope is they are going to sign Max now.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 14:25:34 GMT -5
I give them a 1% chance of signing Scherzer. Think he ends up with the Yankees now.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 11, 2014 14:38:11 GMT -5
Come on CB, max is back for sure, mikei loves him and boras.
What did you think of my widely irresponsible comparison of Cespedes to bobbo
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Post by AK on Dec 11, 2014 15:07:18 GMT -5
You kill a man and rape a lady and suddenly you are a bad guy?
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Post by irishjim on Dec 11, 2014 15:28:16 GMT -5
What can Mr. Dombrowski be thinking, give up a 26 year old pitcher in Porcello and replace him with a 33 year old in Simon with a questionable background?
If they don’t resign Max the Tigers are in deep trouble.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 11, 2014 15:45:47 GMT -5
That he added a middle of the order bat as well while addressing a need in the OF?
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Post by steve6884 on Dec 11, 2014 16:32:06 GMT -5
If a latin player says they are 33 how many years do you add on to get their real age? From wikipedia: Simón was signed on July 9, 1999, by the Philadelphia Phillies. He originally signed under the name Carlos Cabrera, and he pretended to be 21 months younger than he really was. He made his professional debut in 2000 for the La Vega Phillies in the Dominican Summer League.[1] In 2004, the Phillies found out his real name and age.[2] That is funny. I didnt even know that story when I made my comment
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Post by AK on Dec 11, 2014 16:46:10 GMT -5
That he added a middle of the order bat as well while addressing a need in the OF? We don't take kindly to facts around here This is my tapatalky siggy
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 20:48:46 GMT -5
Come on CB, max is back for sure, mikei loves him and boras. What did you think of my widely irresponsible comparison of Cespedes to bobbo I sort of understand where you're coming from there, but they don't have a ton in common other than being outfielders. Higginson had a 6-year stretch where he was really a very good offensive player, while Cespedes has only had one really good offensive season, and it was his rookie year. Cespedes is a better defender, but I think people tend to overrate his defense a bit because he has a howitzer of an arm. Cespedes is really very similar to Nelson Cruz, but he swaps out solid defense for Cruz's superior in-game power. You kill a man and rape a lady and suddenly you are a bad guy? LOL. So, I'm fine with the Cespedes for Porcello deal. They should essentially get equal value there...I don't expect Porcello to suddenly bust out and be a 4 WAR player, and while there's a chance Cespedes could do something like that, I don't see it as particularly likely. The Tigers also got a potentially useful 6th/7th-inning reliever in Alex Wilson, and an interesting, potential backend starter prospect in Gabe Speier. The deal made perfect sense to me. Like most people, I was less enthused about the Alfredo Simon deal. I simply don't think he's a terribly good starting pitcher, and I think there's a real chance he could completely flame out this year. That said, he does have a very nice arm, and it's always possible the Tigers can tweak a few things and get a solid year out of him. I'm expecting more of a Brad Penny in 2011 sort of performance though. The cost is the key issue here, though, in terms of money and players. Subtracting Scherzer and Porcello from the rotation and replacing them with Greene and Simon obviously makes the staff much worse...but it also costs about $25 million less, which opened up the opportunity to add players elsewhere. Giving up Suarez and Crawford for Simon seems very short-sighted, but if we're being honest, Suarez wasn't going to have much of a role on this team this season and probably projects better as a utility infielder than a full-time SS or 2B. And while Crawford was their top overall pick in 2013, and he still has an outside shot at being a mid-rotation starter, he had already been passed over in the organizational depth chart by a few guys selected lower in the same draft. The key is, the Tigers gave up a fair amount of value, but it wasn't going to be particularly useful to them this year. My biggest complaint, I suppose, is that they drafted Crawford in the first place. All the issues he had last season were well known when he was drafted.
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Post by FartTaco on Dec 11, 2014 20:54:52 GMT -5
put me in the camp that doesn't believe that Max will be back
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Post by Juicy on Dec 11, 2014 22:01:31 GMT -5
I think centipede looks like bobbo mostly and he is a boom or bust at the plate guy. Throw a stache on the pede and he is Latin bobby
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