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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 9, 2014 15:36:37 GMT -5
I'm not convinced on the Indians. I think Kluber pitched over his head last year, and that Salazar is another 2 seasons from making the Leap. Also they need more than Brantley to hit for average, which means Santana needs to pick it up a bit. Every team in the Central has holes, but I think the Indians have more than enough overall talent to compete. I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about Santana's average, because he walks so much and he hits for plenty of power. Yan Gomes is emerging into a really, really good catcher, and Brantley played at an MVP level last year. I agree with you that they need more from the offense, but I don't think they need a whole lot more. Solid contributions from Laroche and the rookie Francisco Lindor, and bounceback years for any of Swisher, Bourne, or Kipnis, and I think they're a real contender. As for pitching...Kluber probably did have a career year, but I wouldn't necessarily say he pitched over his head. He's really good. Fortunately the Tigers had his number last season, and hopefully that continues. But there were some very encouraging signs (for Cleveland) from Salazar, Carrasco, and Bauer last year. I expect them to finish with 84-90 wins next year.
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Post by TheGeneral on Dec 9, 2014 15:53:18 GMT -5
I'm not convinced on the Indians. I think Kluber pitched over his head last year, and that Salazar is another 2 seasons from making the Leap. Also they need more than Brantley to hit for average, which means Santana needs to pick it up a bit. Every team in the Central has holes, but I think the Indians have more than enough overall talent to compete. I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about Santana's average, because he walks so much and he hits for plenty of power. Yan Gomes is emerging into a really, really good catcher, and Brantley played at an MVP level last year. I agree with you that they need more from the offense, but I don't think they need a whole lot more. Solid contributions from Laroche and the rookie Francisco Lindor, and bounceback years for any of Swisher, Bourne, or Kipnis, and I think they're a real contender. As for pitching...Kluber probably did have a career year, but I wouldn't necessarily say he pitched over his head. He's really good. Fortunately the Tigers had his number last season, and hopefully that continues. But there were some very encouraging signs (for Cleveland) from Salazar, Carrasco, and Bauer last year. I expect them to finish with 84-90 wins next year. Players like Santana fascinate me though CB. Guys that draw >100 BBs a year are generally Votto or Cabrera type hitters that force you to pitch around them. If Santana levels off at .240 avg or so, at what point do pitchers just start coming after him more? Especially lefties, less afraid of him going long from the right side of the plate.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 9, 2014 17:19:04 GMT -5
Approaching Santana has to be really tough, because he'll swing out of his shoes and look stupid for two strikes, and then sit there and absolutely force you to throw him a strike. And if you do, he's got like a 1-in-10 chance of hitting it 430 feet. He's a guy who forces you to execute your pitches. If you can throw a ball that really looks like a strike, I think you can go after him. If he figures everything out, he could be a monster.
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 10, 2014 7:07:38 GMT -5
Lester is now a Cub. Cubs suck and will rub off on him...too bad. I liked Lester. Glad he didn't go to Boston though.
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 10, 2014 7:09:30 GMT -5
Oh, Tigers are ready to make a new offer on Max (all the major sports outlets are reporting that).
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Post by philly on Dec 10, 2014 8:16:02 GMT -5
They better not offer 200 million for max
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 10, 2014 9:30:51 GMT -5
I can't imagine Scherzer getting more than $170 million. But you never know with Ilitch.
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Post by tommyz on Dec 10, 2014 9:38:39 GMT -5
I can't imagine Scherzer getting more than $170 million. But you never know with Ilitch. Agreed...IF they offer, I would hope it would be a 6 year 170...Then I would do whatever to trade Price and get as many pieces as possible
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 10, 2014 9:46:38 GMT -5
Would have pegged Tommy to pull out a jhorts username here ;) And, we need to get beers again soon.
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Post by tommyz on Dec 10, 2014 9:50:33 GMT -5
Would have pegged Tommy to pull out a jhorts username here ;) And, we need to get beers again soon. Yes Sir...Just let me know when....You know, I thought about using a different name...But Im me no matter where I go..You see a tommyz, its more than likely me..
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 10, 2014 9:57:36 GMT -5
I'm looking to do a a Westland Ashley's trip over the holiday break...for a lunch. Interested?
edit: it's Marc, if you hadn't seen my post about changing username from mdh218 to this.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 10, 2014 9:58:23 GMT -5
Nice to have you back. Seemed like you disappeared from SI. We may have enough posters here to resurrect the old Mock Draft.
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 10, 2014 10:01:33 GMT -5
I stopped posting for months at a time. Would gawk every now and then, but that's it.
Can only talk about beer or baseball to the same people over and over for so many times before...eh. Hahaha ;)
Sold my dual tap keggerator finally too. So I'm back to "make my own 6 packs" from my favorite party stores and tasting events.
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2014 19:49:29 GMT -5
So Jroll to the Dodgers for nothing. And dee Gordon and dan haren to the Marlins where apparently haren will retire for 4 prospects.
Wait what?????
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Post by caper on Dec 10, 2014 19:53:23 GMT -5
7 years / $170 for max ??
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Post by FartTaco on Dec 10, 2014 20:28:53 GMT -5
from Jason Beck's twitter:
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Post by Juicy on Dec 10, 2014 22:26:05 GMT -5
Miley wade wade Miley to the Red Sox for nothing.
Another guy I would have loved to have in Detroit for arm depth
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Post by mtdman on Dec 10, 2014 23:38:36 GMT -5
Max's agent coming out and saying that shit today was him goading Illitch into signing him. I'm betting Mr I gets involved with that shit with a quickness.
Not for those $$ though. I like Max but that's crazy $$ for his age. I'd rather have Max than Price but that's too expensive.
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Post by wacko on Dec 11, 2014 0:11:41 GMT -5
I feel like Max is a year or two away from an implosion that will make Verlander's implosion seem mild by comparison. I'll take Price for next year and see what happens elsewhere.
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Post by detroitrockcity on Dec 11, 2014 9:44:01 GMT -5
All things point to a deal or offer from the Tigers north of $200 million. Should know in a few hours.
Also, Avila rumors are heating up again. That would make me happy to have him traded.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 9:48:50 GMT -5
Sounds like the Porcello for Cespedes deal is done.
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Post by waxing on Dec 11, 2014 9:53:18 GMT -5
I really, really hope the Tigers are getting more than just Cespedes. A decent prospect or three would be nice ... to go with a Scherzer signing.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 10:04:29 GMT -5
Report is Cespedes and a minor league pitcher for Porcello, and a 2nd deal in the works that would bring the Tigers another starter.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Dec 11, 2014 10:15:33 GMT -5
Okay, so it's two minor leaguers and Cespedes for Porcello. And the Tigers are apparently trading prospects for a starter from the Reds.
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Post by wacko on Dec 11, 2014 10:28:53 GMT -5
Okay, so it's two minor leaguers and Cespedes for Porcello. And the Tigers are apparently trading prospects for a starter from the Reds. Who are we hoping for from the Reds? Mat Latos? Homer Bailey?
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