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Post by philly on Sept 13, 2015 18:04:23 GMT -5
One pride
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Post by thecouncil on Sept 13, 2015 18:27:49 GMT -5
Aaron Donald had 9 tackles, 3 TFL, 2 sacks and 2 QB hits today.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 13, 2015 18:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by philly on Sept 13, 2015 18:52:03 GMT -5
Abdullah was at least a big positive. Ziggy looked good the first half.
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Post by Chromium on Sept 13, 2015 18:53:39 GMT -5
Stafford is still garbage. 6-10 is optimistic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 19:13:44 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by Pollux on Sept 13, 2015 19:52:31 GMT -5
First half looked like 11-5 and the second half looked like 0-16.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 22:30:32 GMT -5
Lol good luck.
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Post by fastfreddie on Sept 14, 2015 7:43:49 GMT -5
12-4, Buhahahhhahaaaa!
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Post by flemgoblue on Sept 14, 2015 7:53:07 GMT -5
I said 9-7 initially.. I'm sticking with it until they lose a game that I expected them to win ( which could come as quickly as next sunday)
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Post by thecouncil on Sept 14, 2015 9:17:45 GMT -5
That game was pretty emblematic of Matthew Stafford as a whole. At times looked as good as you could possibly want. At times looked awful. His stats look better than it felt like he played. Seemed like he couldn't, either through his own faults or the faults of others, utilize the ridiculous weapons he has around him. Once things start going poorly he can't pull out of it. Just doesn't have that next gear to cover up the shortcomings of others like the really good QBs do.
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Post by reggie on Sept 14, 2015 9:26:39 GMT -5
the two biggest things that stood out to me in the second half were the consistently unblocked pass rush from san diego, and the consistently un-covered receivers. no idea if it was continual player mistakes, or just terrible coaching, but after like the 3rd or 4th time the exact same thing happens, how do you not address it?
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Post by philly on Sept 14, 2015 9:33:17 GMT -5
I don't think anyone knows who is most to blame or how to fix it. Not good.
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Post by flemgoblue on Sept 14, 2015 9:53:51 GMT -5
I really felt like it was coaching (and our injuries sure didnt help considering the areas that cost us the game).. they escaped the first half with that pick at the end to have an 11 point lead and it was like they didnt feel the need to alter their game plan at all.
meanwhile, SD completely changes everything they were doing on both sides.. they started bringing a ton of pressure, so we couldnt run our standard offense and never adjusted to abbreviated routes and quick passes to make them back off on the pressure. they also started throwing the quick routes and passes I just mentioned on O, which didnt allow us time to get any pressure on rivers like we did early which was so successful.
DUMB
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Post by aaugusti on Sept 14, 2015 10:42:48 GMT -5
I agree with the point that coaching was a big factor in the loss. Joe Lombardi put together a good opening script, and it was executed perfectly, but he has no ability to adjust. I think that he expected San Diego to try and take away Calvin more than they actually did, so they just didn't go to him. When it was apparent that there wasn't as much bracket coverage on him, they should have gone that way and didn't. Another thing to point out is that this is the first year that Stafford is making the protection calls for the offensive line, and that caused some issues as well. Then when Ingram came free and blasted him, he gets injured.
On defense it was the same story. The Chargers offensive game plan was to stretch out the Defense and attack the underbelly with short shots, making the defense cover short and tackle. The Lions never adjusted to this by dropping into the shallow cover which SD kept taking advantage of. Instead, the Lions kept blitzing a quick release QB, which was ineffective.
Another factor (about 6th or 7th on the list) was the heat. The temp on the field was 105, and in the second half it sucked everything out of the defense.
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Post by philly on Sept 14, 2015 11:48:56 GMT -5
I agree with these grades: Quarterback: Matthew Stafford looked sharp early, going 7 of 12 for 94 yards with one touchdown in the first half, but in the second half, he was lousy and there was little sense that he'd be able to dig the Lions out of the surprising hole in which they found themselves. Overall, Stafford's statistics were fine — 19 of 30 for 246 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions — but the second interception was a poor throw to Golden Tate and set the Chargers up for a touchdown drive that reduced what was once a 21-3 lead to just 21-20. Stafford's best drive was in desperation, and his apparent lack of trust in Calvin Johnson — four targets, two receptions and 39 yards — was shocking. Grade: D Running backs: The Lions actually ran the ball OK when they were committed to it, but too often their first-down runs didn't work out. Ameer Abdullah was the star, gaining 50 yards on seven carries including a 24-yard touchdown on his first NFL run. The rookie added four catches for 44 yards. Joique Bell struggled on the ground — six carries, 14 yards — but had two catches for 27 yards. And Theo Riddick added two catches for 37 yards and a touchdown. Grade: B Wide receivers: While the coaches and quarterback deserve some blame, Calvin Johnson is certainly at fault for his lackluster performance as he had just two catches for 39 yards. He struggled to get open against cornerback Brandon Flowers, who frequently had help from a safety. Golden Tate had four catches for just 24 yards, and he and Matthew Stafford didn't appear to be on the same page. The best play by a receiver was Lance Moore's 22-yard catch to convert a third down. Grade: C Tight ends: Eric Ebron led the Lions with four catches for 53 yards, including a nice 18-yard touchdown. Unfortunately, the only one of his five targets he didn't haul in could certainly he categorized as a drop. Brandon Pettigrew had one target and zero touches. Grade: C Offensive line: It's hard to tell how much the protection issues were a problem of new center Travis Swanson or Matthew Stafford, but in the second half, the Lions didn't have nearly enough time to pass the ball. The first half was strong, though, particularly on the ground, but the Chargers exposed the backups playing on the right side of the line. Grade: C DETROIT NEWS Niyo: Chargers show Lions defense it indeed is a new season Defensive line: Like many of the other positions, this group started well, sacking Philip Rivers twice in the first half and forcing him to make a quick throw that resulted in the first interception. Against the run, the line was fine overall, limited the Chargers to just 3.2 yards per carry, and San Diego's quick passing attack in the second half limited what the pass rushers could do. Grade: C Linebackers: Coach Jim Caldwell said DeAndre Levy's absence wasn't an excuse, so it won't factor into the grade. Stephen Tulloch looked lost several times, especially in coverage. Josh Bynes also got fooled on a screen that produced a big play, though he did have eight tackles. Travis Lewis and Tahir Whitehead combined for just one tackle, and much of tight end Ladarius Green's 74 receiving yards was on the linebackers. Grade: D Secondary: Chargers receiver Keenan Allen looked like an unstoppable force with 15 catches for 166 yards, and Lions cornerback Rashean Mathis never looked like he had a chance to cover him. Cornerback Darius Slay was OK and had an interception, and free safety Glover Quin was great and had a pick-6. Like Mathis, though, strong safety James Ihedigbo struggled, and the rotating nickel cornerbacks didn't do much to slow Stevie Johnson, who had 82 receiving yards. Grade: D Special teams: With so many problems elsewhere, this was actually the best unit for the Lions. Sam Martin downed three of his five punts inside the 20. Ameer Abdullah had a 48-yard kickoff return, and Golden Tate averaged 17 yards on his two punt returns. Grade: B Coaching: With so many months to prepare for this game, the amount of issues the Lions had rest mostly on the shoulders of the coaches. Defensive coordinator Teryl Austin failed to make necessary adjustments as his side gave up 483 yards. Offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi seemingly had no plan of how to get the ball to Calvin Johnson or Golden Tate. And Jim Caldwell said he didn't go for a fourth-and-1 late in the third quarter at the Detroit 40 because the Lions had the lead. There are plenty of reasons not to, but that's not a good one, especially since the Chargers had scored the last 17 points. Grade: F www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/09/13/lions-grades-coaches-failed-recalibrate/72233574/
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Post by flemgoblue on Sept 14, 2015 12:00:37 GMT -5
I agree with the point that coaching was a big factor in the loss. Joe Lombardi put together a good opening script, and it was executed perfectly, but he has no ability to adjust. I think that he expected San Diego to try and take away Calvin more than they actually did, so they just didn't go to him. When it was apparent that there wasn't as much bracket coverage on him, they should have gone that way and didn't. Another thing to point out is that this is the first year that Stafford is making the protection calls for the offensive line, and that caused some issues as well. Then when Ingram came free and blasted him, he gets injured. On defense it was the same story. The Chargers offensive game plan was to stretch out the Defense and attack the underbelly with short shots, making the defense cover short and tackle. The Lions never adjusted to this by dropping into the shallow cover which SD kept taking advantage of. Instead, the Lions kept blitzing a quick release QB, which was ineffective. Another factor (about 6th or 7th on the list) was the heat. The temp on the field was 105, and in the second half it sucked everything out of the defense. Fuck the heat as an excuse.. back to my post, this goes to coaching too.. have your guys conditioned after a month and a half of camp and pre-season
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Post by aaugusti on Sept 14, 2015 12:15:47 GMT -5
I'm not saying the heat caused the loss. I even pointed out that there are a number of reason ahead of it. I was just stating that it was a single factor in exacerbating the gassing of the defense.
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Post by fastfreddie on Sept 14, 2015 12:42:44 GMT -5
Stephen Colbert had a funny line during his first "Late Night" Show, "Give me 9 months each time, and I can come up with a pretty good show!"
The Lions had all winter, spring and summer (about nine months), and that was the shit-show game plan they came up with?
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Post by Pollux on Sept 14, 2015 13:04:29 GMT -5
I really felt like it was coaching (and our injuries sure didnt help considering the areas that cost us the game).. they escaped the first half with that pick at the end to have an 11 point lead and it was like they didnt feel the need to alter their game plan at all. meanwhile, SD completely changes everything they were doing on both sides.. they started bringing a ton of pressure, so we couldnt run our standard offense and never adjusted to abbreviated routes and quick passes to make them back off on the pressure. they also started throwing the quick routes and passes I just mentioned on O, which didnt allow us time to get any pressure on rivers like we did early which was so successful. DUMB The inability or refusal to adjust is the main problem and has been on this team for a long time. Like what was already pointed out the Chargers changed everything they were doing and the Lions kept doing the same thing because it had been working. At no time did the offense or defense adjust to the changes the Chargers made and it made them look like shit.
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Post by mtdman on Sept 15, 2015 19:13:56 GMT -5
I really felt like it was coaching (and our injuries sure didnt help considering the areas that cost us the game).. they escaped the first half with that pick at the end to have an 11 point lead and it was like they didnt feel the need to alter their game plan at all. meanwhile, SD completely changes everything they were doing on both sides.. they started bringing a ton of pressure, so we couldnt run our standard offense and never adjusted to abbreviated routes and quick passes to make them back off on the pressure. they also started throwing the quick routes and passes I just mentioned on O, which didnt allow us time to get any pressure on rivers like we did early which was so successful. DUMB The inability or refusal to adjust is the main problem and has been on this team for a long time. Like what was already pointed out the Chargers changed everything they were doing and the Lions kept doing the same thing because it had been working. At no time did the offense or defense adjust to the changes the Chargers made and it made them look like shit. Yep
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Post by aaugusti on Sept 15, 2015 19:47:29 GMT -5
I really felt like it was coaching (and our injuries sure didnt help considering the areas that cost us the game).. they escaped the first half with that pick at the end to have an 11 point lead and it was like they didnt feel the need to alter their game plan at all. meanwhile, SD completely changes everything they were doing on both sides.. they started bringing a ton of pressure, so we couldnt run our standard offense and never adjusted to abbreviated routes and quick passes to make them back off on the pressure. they also started throwing the quick routes and passes I just mentioned on O, which didnt allow us time to get any pressure on rivers like we did early which was so successful. DUMB The inability or refusal to adjust is the main problem and has been on this team for a long time. Like what was already pointed out the Chargers changed everything they were doing and the Lions kept doing the same thing because it had been working. At no time did the offense or defense adjust to the changes the Chargers made and it made them look like shit. That's what puzzles me. Last year Austin was great at making defensive adjustments. Sunday he didn't do anything. Maybe part of it was not having Levy. Hopefully when he comes back Tulloch is taken off the field on passing downs, because he was a liability. He is too small to cover those big tight ends, and too slow to zone cover the slot. As for Lombardi, I am not a fan at all. His game management has flat out sucked. This team would have been far better off keeping Linehan.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 15, 2015 21:57:55 GMT -5
The inability or refusal to adjust is the main problem and has been on this team for a long time. Like what was already pointed out the Chargers changed everything they were doing and the Lions kept doing the same thing because it had been working. At no time did the offense or defense adjust to the changes the Chargers made and it made them look like shit. That's what puzzles me. Last year Austin was great at making defensive adjustments. Sunday he didn't do anything. Maybe part of it was not having Levy. Hopefully when he comes back Tulloch is taken off the field on passing downs, because he was a liability. He is too small to cover those big tight ends, and too slow to zone cover the slot. As for Lombardi, I am not a fan at all. His game management has flat out sucked. This team would have been far better off keeping Linehan. I wasn't a fan of him either.
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Post by fastfreddie on Sept 16, 2015 7:44:09 GMT -5
Hate say it in week 1, but if they Lions could do everything all over again, they should have kept Suh. Stafford and Calvin are the one's they should have parted ways with.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 16, 2015 9:43:00 GMT -5
Hate say it in week 1, but if they Lions could do everything all over again, they should have kept Suh. Stafford and Calvin are the one's they should have parted ways with. Suh never wanted to stay. When he allowed them to restructure him he knew they'd never be able to keep him unless they franchised him. That's why he did it.
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