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Post by The Hoff on Aug 11, 2015 18:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 19:02:35 GMT -5
What's the potential repercussions on that stuff hoff? I haven't been following it much.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 11, 2015 19:52:34 GMT -5
What's the potential repercussions on that stuff hoff? I haven't been following it much. Technically, its can be a felony, and results in fines, potential jail time, and the revokation of security clearance. Keep in mind this stuff was found on her e-mail server. This was not storage. That means the material was being communicated to someone. No word yet on the recipient. David Patreus, who was head of CIA was arrested and charged with mishandling classified materials two (?) years ago. The documents he had were not classified "Top Secret." They were sent to someone (his mistress) who ALSO HAD A SECURITY CLEARANCE. It ended his career, and he now has a criminal record. He lost his security clearance. Sandy Berger, one of (Bill) Clinton's top aids was also charged when he removed classified documents from the national archives to prepare for a senate hearing. Again, not "top secret" material, but highly classified. He was also charged and pleaded guilty. He was fined $50K, served two years of probation and community service and his cleaance was revoked for three years. So there is precedence on this. Theortically, she could be looking at jail time. I doubt that would ever happen. IMO, the outcome of this will be determined by what Biden does. If he decides he wants to run for POTUS, they either indict her, or she reaches a plea and drops out of the race in exchange for a favorable deal or a pardon. As we have seen with the IRS, among other agencies, this Administration is not opposed to using its agency powers to target people (see discussion of Petreaus, above. Think it's a coincidence that they dropped that hammer within a few days of him testifying before the Senate panel on Behghazi? They had the info for multiple months and sat on it until they needed to use it. Consider also IRS targeting scandal, Labor Department investigating Romney Donors) If Biden doesn't run, DOJ probably stands down on HRC. They may sacrifice a few of her aides just to tamp this down. It will still have legs in the general election. Who wants a POTUS who can't be trusted to safeguard top secret documents? Her comments about "the server was safe, it was in her home protected by Secret Service" is laughable. Just because someone could not physically access the server doesn't mean it couldn't be hacked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 21:50:23 GMT -5
What's the potential repercussions on that stuff hoff? I haven't been following it much. Technically, its can be a felony, and results in fines, potential jail time, and the revokation of security clearance. Keep in mind this stuff was found on her e-mail server. This was not storage. That means the material was being communicated to someone. No word yet on the recipient. David Patreus, who was head of CIA was arrested and charged with mishandling classified materials two (?) years ago. The documents he had were not classified "Top Secret." They were sent to someone (his mistress) who ALSO HAD A SECURITY CLEARANCE. It ended his career, and he now has a criminal record. He lost his security clearance. Sandy Berger, one of (Bill) Clinton's top aids was also charged when he removed classified documents from the national archives to prepare for a senate hearing. Again, not "top secret" material, but highly classified. He was also charged and pleaded guilty. He was fined $50K, served two years of probation and community service and his cleaance was revoked for three years. So there is precedence on this. Theortically, she could be looking at jail time. I doubt that would ever happen. IMO, the outcome of this will be determined by what Biden does. If he decides he wants to run for POTUS, they either indict her, or she reaches a plea and drops out of the race in exchange for a favorable deal or a pardon. As we have seen with the IRS, among other agencies, this Administration is not opposed to using its agency powers to target people (see discussion of Petreaus, above. Think it's a coincidence that they dropped that hammer within a few days of him testifying before the Senate panel on Behghazi? They had the info for multiple months and sat on it until they needed to use it. Consider also IRS targeting scandal, Labor Department investigating Romney Donors) If Biden doesn't run, DOJ probably stands down on HRC. They may sacrifice a few of her aides just to tamp this down. It will still have legs in the general election. Who wants a POTUS who can't be trusted to safeguard top secret documents? Her comments about "the server was safe, it was in her home protected by Secret Service" is laughable. Just because someone could not physically access the server doesn't mean it couldn't be hacked. Thanks Hoff.
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Post by sportsfroma2 on Aug 11, 2015 22:07:26 GMT -5
poop and farts
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 19, 2015 17:36:23 GMT -5
No offense, Hillary, but you might want to think about your pantsuit choices a little deeper. The subliminal message is not the best...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 19:18:04 GMT -5
Is that a suit? Looks like a table cloth with buttons.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 19, 2015 21:20:08 GMT -5
It looks like one of those pleated moo moos that preggos wear.
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Post by UltimateM on Aug 19, 2015 22:54:00 GMT -5
Trust me when I tell you there will be no jail time for Mrs. Clinton. Now do I think she can survive this scandal? Of course, just look up the name Sandy Berger. Never went to jail and now he is lobbyist for the Chinese. Besides she only has to beat "that commie" Bernie Sanders. Shouldn't be to hard.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 7:49:37 GMT -5
Trust me when I tell you there will be no jail time for Mrs. Clinton. Now do I think she can survive this scandal? Of course, just look up the name Sandy Berger. Never went to jail and now he is lobbyist for the Chinese. Besides she only has to beat "that commie" Bernie Sanders. Shouldn't be to hard. Sandy Berger took a plea deal that involved a $50,000 fine and two years of probation. He's now a convicted felon. David Petraues was prosecuted for much less than this. I agree with you that HRC won't serve a day in jail. She likely won't face charges. This all goes away once HRC withdraws from the presidential race. BHO is not out to jail HRC. He's out to derail her. The Obamas and Clintons are not friends. He controls the DOJ (of which the FBI is a part). The decision to prosecute or not prosecute is made there. (See i.e. treatment of David Patreaus vs. Jon Corzine). There will be a deal, and this goes away when she does. This will be death by a 1000 paper cuts. Watch for more leaks from the FBI investigation, and more migration from BHO's staff to the Biden for President campaign. A key 2008/2012 advisor just joined up yesterday. I foresee Biden-Warren 2016.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 20, 2015 10:02:43 GMT -5
Trust me when I tell you there will be no jail time for Mrs. Clinton. Now do I think she can survive this scandal? Of course, just look up the name Sandy Berger. Never went to jail and now he is lobbyist for the Chinese. Besides she only has to beat "that commie" Bernie Sanders. Shouldn't be to hard. Sandy Berger took a plea deal that involved a $50,000 fine and two years of probation. He's now a convicted felon. David Petraues was prosecuted for much less than this. I agree with you that HRC won't serve a day in jail. She likely won't face charges. This all goes away once HRC withdraws from the presidential race. BHO is not out to jail HRC. He's out to derail her. The Obamas and Clintons are not friends. He controls the DOJ (of which the FBI is a part). The decision to prosecute or not prosecute is made there. (See i.e. treatment of David Patreaus vs. Jon Corzine). There will be a deal, and this goes away when she does. This will be death by a 1000 paper cuts. Watch for more leaks from the FBI investigation, and more migration from BHO's staff to the Biden for President campaign. A key 2008/2012 advisor just joined up yesterday. I foresee Biden-Warren 2016. Biden is another in the long line of incapable Vice Presidents. Nobody has got their Vice in since Reagan. Unfortunately the Republican party is such a dumpster fire that he would probably win it. I don't feel like we'd look very strong to other countries under his leadership. I felt the same way about Gore at the time. That he wasn't ready for the big chair. I think if he wanted it now he'd do a better job than Biden would. Too bad he isn't interested anymore. If HRC didn't bow out and didn't get prosecuted for it if almost feel obligated to vote for her and her pleated preggo moo moo. Trump says a lot of things many people really feel and are afraid to say because of PC but you can't run a country on his crazy ideas. Not this one atleast.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 11:37:11 GMT -5
Sandy Berger took a plea deal that involved a $50,000 fine and two years of probation. He's now a convicted felon. David Petraues was prosecuted for much less than this. I agree with you that HRC won't serve a day in jail. She likely won't face charges. This all goes away once HRC withdraws from the presidential race. BHO is not out to jail HRC. He's out to derail her. The Obamas and Clintons are not friends. He controls the DOJ (of which the FBI is a part). The decision to prosecute or not prosecute is made there. (See i.e. treatment of David Patreaus vs. Jon Corzine). There will be a deal, and this goes away when she does. This will be death by a 1000 paper cuts. Watch for more leaks from the FBI investigation, and more migration from BHO's staff to the Biden for President campaign. A key 2008/2012 advisor just joined up yesterday. I foresee Biden-Warren 2016. Biden is another in the long line of incapable Vice Presidents. Nobody has got their Vice in since Reagan. Unfortunately the Republican party is such a dumpster fire that he would probably win it. I don't feel like we'd look very strong to other countries under his leadership. I felt the same way about Gore at the time. That he wasn't ready for the big chair. I think if he wanted it now he'd do a better job than Biden would. Too bad he isn't interested anymore. If HRC didn't bow out and didn't get prosecuted for it if almost feel obligated to vote for her and her pleated preggo moo moo. Trump says a lot of things many people really feel and are afraid to say because of PC but you can't run a country on his crazy ideas. Not this one atleast. The Biden appeal is the same as the Bush 41 appeal. It will be sold as Obama's third term. With Elizabeth Warren sitting in the VP slot, it appeals to the Sanders voters, and the voters who want to vote for HRC because they beleive it's time for a female POTUS. That ticket ticks a lot of boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 15:09:02 GMT -5
I think trump is going to win.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 17:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 17:20:30 GMT -5
I'd actually prefer Dee as the front runner.
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Post by UltimateM on Aug 20, 2015 21:06:09 GMT -5
Trust me when I tell you there will be no jail time for Mrs. Clinton. Now do I think she can survive this scandal? Of course, just look up the name Sandy Berger. Never went to jail and now he is lobbyist for the Chinese. Besides she only has to beat "that commie" Bernie Sanders. Shouldn't be to hard. Sandy Berger took a plea deal that involved a $50,000 fine and two years of probation. He's now a convicted felon. David Petraues was prosecuted for much less than this. I agree with you that HRC won't serve a day in jail. She likely won't face charges. This all goes away once HRC withdraws from the presidential race. BHO is not out to jail HRC. He's out to derail her. The Obamas and Clintons are not friends. He controls the DOJ (of which the FBI is a part). The decision to prosecute or not prosecute is made there. (See i.e. treatment of David Patreaus vs. Jon Corzine). There will be a deal, and this goes away when she does. This will be death by a 1000 paper cuts. Watch for more leaks from the FBI investigation, and more migration from BHO's staff to the Biden for President campaign. A key 2008/2012 advisor just joined up yesterday. I foresee Biden-Warren 2016. Your theory of the BHO working against HRC for Obama, is right on. Power & greed in politics can make people kill their own. Biden just reminds me of the creepy uncle, that stay to long and tries to steal your date. When Uncle Joe get his hands on you, he is not letting go. I am not a big fan of Warren's politics, but at least she honest about it. She will tell you she is to the left and that's exactly the way she votes. If she draws up a bill, you automatically know it will have a socialist theme.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 20, 2015 21:14:10 GMT -5
Sandy Berger took a plea deal that involved a $50,000 fine and two years of probation. He's now a convicted felon. David Petraues was prosecuted for much less than this. I agree with you that HRC won't serve a day in jail. She likely won't face charges. This all goes away once HRC withdraws from the presidential race. BHO is not out to jail HRC. He's out to derail her. The Obamas and Clintons are not friends. He controls the DOJ (of which the FBI is a part). The decision to prosecute or not prosecute is made there. (See i.e. treatment of David Patreaus vs. Jon Corzine). There will be a deal, and this goes away when she does. This will be death by a 1000 paper cuts. Watch for more leaks from the FBI investigation, and more migration from BHO's staff to the Biden for President campaign. A key 2008/2012 advisor just joined up yesterday. I foresee Biden-Warren 2016. Your theory of the BHO working against HRC for Obama, is right on. Power & greed in politics can make people kill their own. Biden just reminds me of the creepy uncle, that stay to long and tries to steal your date. When Uncle Joe get his hands on you, he is not letting go. I am not a big fan of Warren's politics, but at least she honest about it. She will tell you she is to the left and that's exactly the way she votes. If she draws up a bill, you automatically know it will have a socialist theme. Warren is a more platable/electible Sanders. She's a leftist, but not overtly crazy. She does have the Fauxcahontas thing to overcome, but in this day and age, it may not be that difficult.
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Post by UltimateM on Aug 20, 2015 21:50:17 GMT -5
Not sure on Biden really wanting to make a run. His beloved son just died and the rest of his family was never thrilled about the publicity that office generates. He always seems like the guy who loves the perks, just doesn't want to get his hands to dirty.
Warren without question is a lot more electable then Bernie. Just wonder if she wants to play second fiddle to a guy, she knows she is smarter than.
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Post by The Hoff on Aug 22, 2015 19:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by psycaz on Aug 23, 2015 8:00:30 GMT -5
As is already out there, Biden would only stay for one term then Warren for two. This is what will be the ticket come next year.
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Post by Pollux on Aug 23, 2015 9:45:41 GMT -5
As is already out there, Biden would only stay for one term then Warren for two. This is what will be the ticket come next year. One term? Why even bother? Unless they think it's the only way to get a foot in the door for Warren. Plenty of Presidents had big plans for two terms and then lost and didn't get the second. What does Biden hope to accomplish only aiming for one?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 14:08:02 GMT -5
They just want control for four more years. They have time to figure it out.
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Post by psycaz on Aug 23, 2015 15:34:34 GMT -5
As is already out there, Biden would only stay for one term then Warren for two. This is what will be the ticket come next year. One term? Why even bother? Unless they think it's the only way to get a foot in the door for Warren. Plenty of Presidents had big plans for two terms and then lost and didn't get the second. What does Biden hope to accomplish only aiming for one? Probably to open the door for Warren and to cement in the things Obama has done.
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Post by aaugusti on Sept 8, 2015 14:26:35 GMT -5
Rupert Murdoch said today Biden will get the nomination and win the White House.
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Post by The Hoff on Sept 8, 2015 14:58:47 GMT -5
Rupert Murdoch said today Biden will get the nomination and win the White House. Murdoch can make that happen.
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