acman
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Post by acman on Apr 27, 2015 16:39:04 GMT -5
they arent going to go after AP/ Lynch etc.. that isnt even really a concern. I didn't say they were. I was giving examples of high price RB's and in relation to where they would be drafted or were drafted. Hell, my example is even more on point (old system or new for rookies) that finding talent low in the draft at skilled positions can fix the Lions cap issues in the short term(and maybe the long term) when your not juggling a $10 million contract(just a figurative example, not saying $10 million would be used like that) or a restructure on your 1st rounder because he started out at a higher cap number.
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Post by Pollux on Apr 27, 2015 20:15:02 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I think these QBs are going to be huge busts. I just don't get it the infatuation with Jameis Winston and Mariotta. Best of a bad class. QB is king even when they're mediocre.
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Post by flemgoblue on Apr 27, 2015 20:55:45 GMT -5
they arent going to go after AP/ Lynch etc.. that isnt even really a concern. I didn't say they were. I was giving examples of high price RB's and in relation to where they would be drafted or were drafted. Hell, my example is even more on point (old system or new for rookies) that finding talent low in the draft at skilled positions can fix the Lions cap issues in the short term(and maybe the long term) when your not juggling a $10 million contract(just a figurative example, not saying $10 million would be used like that) or a restructure on your 1st rounder because he started out at a higher cap number. and my point is that RBs dont make that much outside of AP, which is a contract as bad as CJ's.. in comparison to DEs, QBs and WRs, RBs are relatively cheap and not valued as high. Not to mention, the Lions arent going to drop a ton of money on a FA one ( and there isnt even one available). Who cares if 5 years form now the RB they picked in the 1st or 2nd round is owed a huge contract. at that point we can let him walk. Its FIVE YEARS AWAY
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Post by flemgoblue on Apr 27, 2015 20:56:42 GMT -5
the #23 pick isnt going to cost much and a 2nd rounder isnt going to cost anything.
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Post by philly on Apr 28, 2015 7:22:03 GMT -5
Peter King has us drafting a center out of FSU.
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Post by wacko on Apr 28, 2015 7:26:57 GMT -5
I really, really want Ameer Abdullah to be a Lion. David Cobb out of Minny would be my backup pick later in the draft.
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Post by eruff on Apr 28, 2015 8:29:03 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I think these QBs are going to be huge busts. I just don't get it the infatuation with Jameis Winston and Mariotta. Best of a bad class. QB is king even when they're mediocre. Winston has the tools to be in the same conversation as Luck. The Qb has been watered down in the previous draft with the spread being so popular in college football. The rest of the draft class can be great IMO. The amount of talent that will be available in the front seven is what driving this class to be a good one.
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Post by eruff on Apr 28, 2015 8:31:54 GMT -5
Peter King has us drafting a center out of FSU. The Lions will have a chance at maybe 4 potential good players.
DT Goldman T Clemmings T Collins T Erving
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 28, 2015 8:37:07 GMT -5
Best of a bad class. QB is king even when they're mediocre. Winston has the tools to be in the same conversation as Luck. The Qb has been watered down in the previous draft with the spread being so popular in college football. The rest of the draft class can be great IMO. The amount of talent that will be available in the front seven is what driving this class to be a good one. Hmm, I don't see it with Winston. I think that Bryce Petty and Brett Hundley stay in the NFL, longer than Winston and Mariotta.
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Post by eruff on Apr 28, 2015 9:26:37 GMT -5
Winston has the tools to be in the same conversation as Luck. The Qb has been watered down in the previous draft with the spread being so popular in college football. The rest of the draft class can be great IMO. The amount of talent that will be available in the front seven is what driving this class to be a good one. Hmm, I don't see it with Winston. I think that Bryce Petty and Brett Hundley stay in the NFL, longer than Winston and Mariotta. Hundley will only get better if he's in a similar situation as Cam's. Petty has a big arm but is very inaccurate. Didnt he only complete 55-60% of his passes against a schedule that was in the range of 115th in the NCAA.
Winston has it all that a team can develop. The only issue I have with him is his over confident ego.
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Post by psycaz on Apr 28, 2015 9:55:25 GMT -5
I don't like either of the top two qb's. I'd trade out and take BPA.
There'll be a qb selected in round three or later that has a better career than both those guys. Unless they slide way down the board. Neither will end up in a place that will allow them to maximize their potential.
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Post by jrolla on Apr 28, 2015 10:06:49 GMT -5
I really, really want Ameer Abdullah to be a Lion. David Cobb out of Minny would be my backup pick later in the draft. I am not comfortable with them taking him anywhere higher than round 3. He fumbles a lot although he cut that down a little (4) last year.
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Post by jrolla on Apr 28, 2015 10:10:06 GMT -5
Peter King has us drafting a center out of FSU. The Lions will have a chance at maybe 4 potential good players.
DT Goldman T Clemmings T Collins T Erving
I agree with all but Goldman. I don't think he's a good fit in a 4-3, if he does succeed in the NFL I think it will be at NT.
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Post by jrolla on Apr 28, 2015 10:12:31 GMT -5
Just a few weeks ago Shane Ray and Randy Gregory were considered Top 15 picks. Now they are calling for them to fall out of the first and possibly as far as the 3rd. They wouldn't do it but Ray is intriguing. Especially if he's there in the later rounds.
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Post by Pollux on Apr 28, 2015 10:47:11 GMT -5
The fact is they rarely do what anybody talks about. Suh and Stafford were no brainers in their drafts but nobody was talking about taking Ebron last year before the draft on SI.
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Post by mattz1318 on Apr 28, 2015 11:15:03 GMT -5
I also think the QB's in this class suck. The only QB I kind of seeing working out is later in the draft - Grayson out of Colorado State.
I have no idea who we will pick in the first. Although I don't like taking RB's in the first because I think you can find decent backs in the later rounds (Duke Johnson out of Miami in the 3rd?)...I wouldn't mind Gurley or Gordon in the first.
Unless Trae falls to 23, then I don't want a CB. I don't like Kevin Johnson too much. I don't think Lions staff like short corners anyway.
Pick O-Line or D-Line, and I'll be happy.
If we pick LB,WR,TE, and even Safety...I'll be pissed.
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Post by wacko on Apr 28, 2015 11:18:04 GMT -5
I really, really want Ameer Abdullah to be a Lion. David Cobb out of Minny would be my backup pick later in the draft. I am not comfortable with them taking him anywhere higher than round 3. He fumbles a lot although he cut that down a little (4) last year. That's really the only knock on him though... He does have small hands and some that believe that's why he has had fumble issues. But realistically, he would be in the Reggie Bush role for the Lions and he'd have 10-12 carries a game and primarily be used in the passing game, which should help him not fumble as much. I think he's every bit as explosive as Tevin Coleman, but unlike Coleman he's actually physically built to withstand a NFL beating week in and week out. He catches the ball well out of the backfield, he's tough to bring down, and he isn't afraid of contact or grinding out extra yards.
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Post by eruff on Apr 28, 2015 11:55:26 GMT -5
The fact is they rarely do what anybody talks about. Suh and Stafford were no brainers in their drafts but nobody was talking about taking Ebron last year before the draft on SI. Ebron will be fine. Im not saying he will be Shannon Sharpe but he will produce this season.
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Post by FartTaco on Apr 28, 2015 12:13:31 GMT -5
The fact is they rarely do what anybody talks about. Suh and Stafford were no brainers in their drafts but nobody was talking about taking Ebron last year before the draft on SI. Ebron will be fine. Im not saying he will be Shannon Sharpe but he will produce this season. finally something you and I agree on
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 28, 2015 14:15:33 GMT -5
The fact is they rarely do what anybody talks about. Suh and Stafford were no brainers in their drafts but nobody was talking about taking Ebron last year before the draft on SI. Ebron will be fine. Im not saying he will be Shannon Sharpe but he will produce this season. LOL, I find that comparison funny. Shannon Sharpe was a 7th round draft pick! How dare we compare our #1 pick to that 7th rounder!
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Post by eruff on Apr 28, 2015 14:25:50 GMT -5
Ebron will be fine. Im not saying he will be Shannon Sharpe but he will produce this season. LOL, I find that comparison funny. Shannon Sharpe was a 7th round draft pick! How dare we compare our #1 pick to that 7th rounder! Im not comparing at all. Ebron will produce and be productive for the Lions this year.
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 28, 2015 16:55:18 GMT -5
LOL, I find that comparison funny. Shannon Sharpe was a 7th round draft pick! How dare we compare our #1 pick to that 7th rounder! Im not comparing at all. Ebron will produce and be productive for the Lions this year. I hope you're right!
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Post by aaugusti on Apr 29, 2015 9:25:50 GMT -5
I feel bad for La'el Collins. His draft stock is toast and he may have had nothing to do with his ex-gf getting killed.
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Post by flemgoblue on Apr 29, 2015 9:35:01 GMT -5
Media headline fail.. and they all had it wrong. stupid.
I really hope we dont do something stupid with this pick. outside of Ebron, who might turn out to be decent still, Mayhew has been good with 1st rounders at least.
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Post by ChrisBrown on Apr 29, 2015 9:51:03 GMT -5
I have no doubt in my mind that Mariota will be a bust. I think Winston has all the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB, but I have serious questions about his ability to handle failure and accept responsibility for his mistakes. Seems kind of silly to project who the Lions might get at this point, but anything other than a defensive or offensive lineman will be shocking. So it'll probably be a safety or something.
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