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Post by Jive Turkey on Apr 7, 2015 9:50:48 GMT -5
Thumbs down.
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Post by Pollux on Apr 7, 2015 10:18:59 GMT -5
Proposal 1 seems to be getting a lot of support from businesses. I'm not in favor of more sales tax.
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Post by flemgoblue on Apr 7, 2015 10:56:16 GMT -5
Fuck prop 1
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Post by philly on Apr 7, 2015 13:00:10 GMT -5
Vote no. Once it goes up to 7% it will never go down. We shouldn't be paying premium tax rates in Michigan.
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Post by Pollux on Apr 7, 2015 14:36:02 GMT -5
Vote no. Once it goes up to 7% it will never go down. We shouldn't be paying premium tax rates in Michigan. I vaguely remember 6% being promised a limited time deal and here we are.
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Post by aaugusti on Apr 7, 2015 15:11:29 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a "temporary tax". Once you vote to raise taxes, they don't go down.
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 7, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -5
I'm all for 7%, if it fixes our roads.
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Post by Juicy on Apr 7, 2015 19:28:41 GMT -5
The thing is it won't fix our roads
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Post by Pollux on Apr 7, 2015 20:20:37 GMT -5
I'm all for 7%, if it fixes our roads. Adjusting what goes where with what tax we pay on gas could fix it but they don't want to touch that. Not raising it but reallocating it. Gas is so much cheaper in Ohio because they have tolls and their gas isn't taxed as much.
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 8, 2015 8:16:21 GMT -5
The thing is it won't fix our roads Why not? You can say that about every tax, everything the government does.
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Post by aaugusti on Apr 8, 2015 8:38:33 GMT -5
Freddie, this is being sold as the extra 1% will be going towards fixing the roads, when in truth only a small fraction will be going towards that. Much of the increase ends up back in the general fund. The other part of the proposal would strip sales tax out of gasoline (which sounds good) but would then double the gas tax from 19 cents/gallon to almost 42 cents/gallon. Again, a lot of that tax does not go to directly fixing roads/bridges.
Finally, it is not a 1% raise in the sales tax, it's an 18% increase in the sales tax. Raising the sales tax to 7% would give Michigan the 2nd highest sales tax rate in the US, trailing only California, which is at 7.5%. Sorry Snyder, but you can take this Proposal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 8, 2015 9:01:05 GMT -5
Freddie, this is being sold as the extra 1% will be going towards fixing the roads, when in truth only a small fraction will be going towards that. Much of the increase ends up back in the general fund. The other part of the proposal would strip sales tax out of gasoline (which sounds good) but would then double the gas tax from 19 cents/gallon to almost 42 cents/gallon. Again, a lot of that tax does not go to directly fixing roads/bridges. Finally, it is not a 1% raise in the sales tax, it's an 18% increase in the sales tax. Raising the sales tax to 7% would give Michigan the 2nd highest sales tax rate in the US, trailing only California, which is at 7.5%. Sorry Snyder, but you can take this Proposal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. So then where are they going to get the money from? These roads are deplorable. Michigan's two biggest industries, tourism and automotive, rely heavily on the roads.
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Post by philly on Apr 8, 2015 9:09:30 GMT -5
The roads really don't bother me much. I think the highways are pretty good shape now. At least the ones I travel.
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Post by flemgoblue on Apr 8, 2015 10:10:18 GMT -5
Freddie, this is being sold as the extra 1% will be going towards fixing the roads, when in truth only a small fraction will be going towards that. Much of the increase ends up back in the general fund. The other part of the proposal would strip sales tax out of gasoline (which sounds good) but would then double the gas tax from 19 cents/gallon to almost 42 cents/gallon. Again, a lot of that tax does not go to directly fixing roads/bridges. Finally, it is not a 1% raise in the sales tax, it's an 18% increase in the sales tax. Raising the sales tax to 7% would give Michigan the 2nd highest sales tax rate in the US, trailing only California, which is at 7.5%. Sorry Snyder, but you can take this Proposal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. So then where are they going to get the money from? These roads are deplorable. Michigan's two biggest industries, tourism and automotive, rely heavily on the roads. Get it from the general fund, where they have tons of money. Or re-allocate other funds
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Post by preacherboy on Apr 8, 2015 11:19:32 GMT -5
I'm all for 7%, if it fixes our roads. Adjusting what goes where with what tax we pay on gas could fix it but they don't want to touch that. Not raising it but reallocating it. Gas is so much cheaper in Ohio because they have tolls and their gas isn't taxed as much. Ohio has 1 toll road. The Ohio Turnpike. One. And the funds collected on it have nothing to do with the price of gas in Ohio, which on average is like 10 cents cheaper than Michigan.
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Post by aaugusti on Apr 8, 2015 11:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by psycaz on Apr 9, 2015 10:48:56 GMT -5
We've seen this way too many times now. This is a fcuk NO!
Give us money and we promise it will only be spent on it.
It starts with a lie. Only part goes to roads. Add in they have a bad habit of for every dollar that "must" go there, they just take a dollar that was already there away. Net gain, shit.
Add in typical mismanagement and stuff. Fcuk you, NO
Get better with what you got. Then talk to me.
Fix the issues that are causing the roads to not last anywhere near as long as they are supposed to. Work out a system to have repairs that should be covered by warranties addressed in time aka, while the warranty is in effect.
Then come back.
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Post by fastfreddie on Apr 9, 2015 12:17:23 GMT -5
We've seen this way too many times now. This is a fcuk NO! Give us money and we promise it will only be spent on it. It starts with a lie. Only part goes to roads. Add in they have a bad habit of for every dollar that "must" go there, they just take a dollar that was already there away. Net gain, shit. Add in typical mismanagement and stuff. Fcuk you, NO Get better with what you got. Then talk to me. Fix the issues that are causing the roads to not last anywhere near as long as they are supposed to. Work out a system to have repairs that should be covered by warranties addressed in time aka, while the warranty is in effect. Then come back. 1. We cannot continue along this path, with the roads the way they are on in this state. Someone posted earlier, that they didn't think the roads were that bad. That person is smoking crack, or only looking at his neighborhood in Northville. 2. We cannot avoid investing in our infrastructure, and we cannot just say that we don't trust the government. We are the government. If you don't like the leadership, then do something about it. 3. I heard that there was a movement to get all future roadwork done with written guarantees. The state/county/municipality wouldn't accept a bid, without a X amount of years warranty on the road. Or they could evaluate the bids, based not only on cost, but warranty/guarantee.
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Post by psycaz on Apr 9, 2015 12:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by mtdman on Apr 9, 2015 13:49:22 GMT -5
IF the increase in sales tax was going directly to funding roads, and only to funding roads, I'd vote yes for it. Fact is only 25% of the money will go towards that. This proposal is so loaded with special interest groups syphoning off that money it's disgusting. The increase in gas tax, the increase in fees at the Secretary of State for car registrations, all the other bullshit that the money is being diverted to, there's no way I would vote yes. And if the latest polls are correct, this thing is going to crash and burn. Last poll I saw said 65% no on this. We pay way too much tax in this state as it is, and what are we getting?
These idiot politicians need to go back and find another fix. If we have to go to toll roads, so be it. If they want to re do this proposal and take out all the pork and try again, do it. If they have to cut and trim and pull the $$ out of the general fund, which is where the $$ is supposed to come from to begin with, then do it. The politicians want to pass this off on us with an easy fix of raising taxes, they need to do their jobs and find the $$, adjust the budget, whatever.
IMO, they need to legalize pot, regulate it and tax it and put 100% of that $$ to road funding.
The other part of this debate is the need to be smarter about building the roads when they fix them. They need to take a bit of time to re do the road beds, bring in new technologies that will counteract the freeze/thaw cycle, and be smart about fixing the roads. Not just slap some more blacktop on top of the same old problem. This ridiculous cycle of throwing money at the roads without being smart about what we are doing needs to stop.
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Post by oldstyletom on Jul 6, 2015 15:53:25 GMT -5
Adjusting what goes where with what tax we pay on gas could fix it but they don't want to touch that. Not raising it but reallocating it. Gas is so much cheaper in Ohio because they have tolls and their gas isn't taxed as much. Ohio has 1 toll road. The Ohio Turnpike. One. And the funds collected on it have nothing to do with the price of gas in Ohio, which on average is like 10 cents cheaper than Michigan. Enjoyed getting gas in Toledo for $2.52 this weekend. The gas tax difference is substantial. If the gas tax increase goes through, I will find reasons to go to Toledo to gas up on a regular basis.
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Post by philly on Jul 7, 2015 7:27:00 GMT -5
Nothing like burning $8 worth of gas to save $4.
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Post by oldstyletom on Jul 7, 2015 11:44:50 GMT -5
Here in the sticks, I'm not that far from the border and we have to travel for just about everything anyway. It's not out of the question for us to go to Ohio for one thing or another. One of the Ol' Lady's doctors is in Sylvania, and we sometimes shop or go out to Toledo instead of Ann Arbor or (shudder) Monroe. If someone lives in, say, Oakland County, then no, the trips to Bucknut Land are not worth it at all.
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Post by philly on Jul 7, 2015 12:42:42 GMT -5
Here in the sticks, I'm not that far from the border and we have to travel for just about everything anyway. It's not out of the question for us to go to Ohio for one thing or another. One of the Ol' Lady's doctors is in Sylvania, and we sometimes shop or go out to Toledo instead of Ann Arbor or (shudder) Monroe. If someone lives in, say, Oakland County, then no, the trips to Bucknut Land are not worth it at all. I always stop at costco for gas since it's on my way to work. It's usually about 20 cents cheaper. That at least pays for the costco annual membership.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 21:47:51 GMT -5
I always go to the nearest gas station and don't pay attention to the price when I'm pumping and throw away my receipt. I also run my AC when it's hot and don't share bath water with my family.
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